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Post by beale on Oct 5, 2007 16:28:17 GMT -5
I have researched everywhere I can find. I know there is a Robert Morriss and that he lived in Lynchburg. I can not however find where he married Sarah Mitchell. I can not find out who his parents are or Sarah Mitchell's parents are? Does anyone out there have that information?
I went to Bedford Courthouse today and to the County Clerk's Office in Campbell County at Rustburg. I could not find any of this information. I think we should find information like this if we think we are such swell code breakers. I did find the deed I was looking for I don't however know if it is for the Franklin Hotel or the Washington Hotel? Also I obtained a deed for a tract of land purchased by Robert Morriss in 1818. If Robert Morriss was not already rich where did he get the cash to purchase this property? He paid $40,000 for it. I don't know about you folks but that is a heck of a lot of money even today. Back then it was worth maybe $2 Million Dollars. Where could have Robert Morriss gotten this kind of money in 1818?
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Post by TJ on Oct 5, 2007 17:20:08 GMT -5
Well Beale heres the way it works,
The pamphlet cites Morriss as saying " It was in the month of January 1820 while keeping the Washington...."
Earlier the writings say he kept the Washington, now the Arlington and removed to the Franklin now the Norvell.
Seems to me if you have info on Morriss buying a Hotel in 1818...your question is answered by reading the Beale Papers.
Also the book gives the information He married Sarah Mitchell in Loudoun County, Virginia in 1803 those records are probably not in Bedford County.....Sarah Mitchell Morriss died in 1861...Lynchburg Virginia...her death notice has been found and posted more that once. Perhaps you should find the Obit. and peruse it's info and maybe you can work backwards from there.
Trapper John
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Post by TJ on Oct 5, 2007 17:38:15 GMT -5
One more input about Sarah Morriss...
See P. V.'s book New History of a Mystery
Pages 123, 132, 135, 141
TJ
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Post by beale on Oct 5, 2007 18:00:18 GMT -5
There are several problems with all of this information you are laying down. First the deed I obtained says it was the Norvell. If Robert Morriss purchased the Norvell House in 1818 and your informations says he moved to the Norvell House after he was proprietor of the Washington. Well the dates don't match. Also I know what the Job Print Pamphlet and Peter V's book say, I am only trying to sort out the information. The story needs to be verified before anyone can try to break the codes that is all I am trying to say. The purchase of the Norvell was for a period of ten years. The story says he leased the Washington for a number of years. I can't find this document or is the document I have the Washington even though they have it labeled the Norvell.
Another glare back and the reason I have searched for this document for the past fifteen years, the Clerk's Office of Campbell County does not have this deed itemized and several other deeds of Robert Morriss are not itemized. I found this deed by looking through every deed book they had for the time era from 1809 to 1865, This took a lot of time. I even showed the clerks the errors thy had in their records of the deeds for Campbell County. When I found the deed again after fifteen years I did not tell them, let everyone else look as I have to find it. I do believe it is the deed for the Washington Hotel because Robert Morriss purchased it and it had a binding contract with a ten year span of purchase just as he mentioned of leasing the Washington for a number of years.
As for Robert Morriss and Sarah Mitchell being married in 1803 in Loudoun County Virginia. I have searched their records and I have not found it. I have not found where Robert Morriss was born in Maryland. All I am wondering is where did Robert Morriss get so much money in his early days. He started purchasing property in Campbell County in 1807 or 1809 only a few years after he married Sarah Mitchell.
And yes in Peter V's book he mentioned about Sarah Mitchell but I want to see the facts. I also know that Angelina Brown married John Buford Otey and she was a niece to Sarah Mitchell but there is no genealogical information on Angelina Brown either. I do believe Angelina to be a daughter of Dr. Brown of Lynchburg. He was the owner of the land where Seth Ward owned the Bell Tavern, later the Washington Tavern, the Washington Inn, the Washington Hotel and now the Arlington on Church Street today.
But, my main question is where did he get $40,000 to buy property in 1818? You can not earn this kind of money by working and moving from Maryland to Loudoun County Virginia and then move to Campbell County Virginia. The source of this kind of money had to be inherited, stolen or given him by TJB?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 5, 2007 20:29:03 GMT -5
Yo! ;D beale. I see your frustration of "looking for the facts"... after all... if it ain't in writing, it didn't happen... OR... NOT gonna happen... (old state employee saying... to do the paper-work). What I have found out so far... (and you probably KNOW this...); ROBERT MORRISS - DOB (year) 1778; in MARYLAND; moved to LOUNDON COUNTY, VA (Northern Virginia), as a young lad with family; in LOUNDON COUNTY, he later married Miss Sarah Mitchell... they had NO children. FORGET going to Bedford County, and Campbell County... come to LYNCHBURG, VA and go to JONES MEMORIAL LIBRARY, where the Lynchburg, Va. stuff IS... MORRISS, WARD, etc.
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Post by TOMm on Oct 6, 2007 1:09:42 GMT -5
HELLO ONE AND ALL
ROBERT MORRIS CAN BE FOUND IN THE ARC IVES IN PHILADELfeia
THE WASHINGTON ..INN SETS ON FORT NECESSITY PROPERTY 4 MILES FROM THE RUSH HOUSE TODAY RIGHT AT THIS MOMENT. YOU WILL SEE THE NECESSITY OF IT. ITS THE SAME SITE THAT WASHINGTON WAS Marched NAKED BACKED TO CUMBERLAND MARYLAND, BY JUMONVILLES BROTHER BUT THE NAKED PART NEVER GOT INTO THE HISTORY BOOKS BUT IT WAS IN HIS SECRETARY BOOK.NOW IN THE SMITHSONIAN.
the MITCHELL'S ARE JEFFERSON'S RELATIVES
THE MONEY CAME FROM THE TREASURY AS HE WAS EXONERATED FROM THE CHARA OF STEALING THE WAGON FULL OF SIGNETS AND PLATE PLATE COIN AND SERGEANTS HE SAYS HE LOST AND QUOTE A TREASURE TRAIN OF SILVER AND PLATE UN QUOTE
THESE STORIES ARE WELL CHOSEN WORDS BY JEFFERSON AND OTHERS TO BE USED INSIDE YES INSIDE THE doi and the const...
Thomas Beale was a furniture mover hired TO MOVE the treasury by furniture and bricks TO
AND I THINK ,I DO NOT KNOW BUT THATS AGO-OD CHANCE OF RECEIPTS EITHER FOR THE TREASURY OR FOR FURNITURE ISN'T POTS SORT OF FURNITURE AS WELL AS BED FORD COMFOR *TABLE* SITING BY FIRE. IRON PRESSING BOX ````EVENING MEAL =MORE POTS AND PANS TABLE CHAIRS AND JEWELED BOWLS BELOW s URF````````````````````````````````````````````` ...TO THIS PLACE SETTING... HIS CHAIR WAS JET BLACK, AND WORN LOUNGE R aTHAN...THE Sty. a hotel has beds and the such but until the train of thought is not on treasure but on transferring letters from this or that sheet ,or page number, to add to this theory i put before the audience `THAT IN A;ALBERT GALLATAIN BIOGRAPHY WHILE BING THE SECRETARY OF TREASURE he was offered a contract for supplying rifles to the us government by the dutch and German iorn workers he was to put up 600 SIX HUNDRED dollars and said he did not have it but the VERY NEXT YEAR he paid 10, thousand dollars to move his furniture from fill a dell feevya PENNA. to south western PEA YEAH .
now where the heck did he get ten thousand dollars one year later the average income was 200 dollars a year he also was exonerated from theft charges from the treasury .
TOMm
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Post by beale on Oct 6, 2007 6:52:08 GMT -5
Tomm,
I am not seeking wild speculations or guesses there is enough of that out there. I am seeking documented proof. Where is all of your information coming from book, chapter and verse. Anyone can make up speculations and guesses I have a belly full of that. I WANT FACTS AND NOTHING BUT THE FACTS THANK YOU. Why do you think I am looking in County Clerk's Offices, too many out there have corrupted the Beale Mystery so much and mostly that is the reasons for no one finding the Beale Treasure.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 6, 2007 9:10:44 GMT -5
Yo! ;D beale, I agree with you, in the above "post"... you want facts? Come to Lynchburg, Va. for Lynchburg, Va. "players" (1885). I will show you Arlington House (formerly KA Washington Inn/Hotel on Court Street) (FACT); I will show you where the OLD Masonic Marshall Lodge was - burned down a few years ago... BUT! they have a new location and a small room of OLD Marshall Lodge "stuff" (FACT); I will take you to the Lynchburg, Va. Museum (FACT); I will take you to the Jones Memorial Library in Lynchburg. Va. where we can do research, MAYBE, even see an ORIGINAL "job print" (FACT); that's a full day right there. ANOTHER day, I can show you TURKEY FOOT ROAD (FACT); TURKEY TOE ROAD (FACT); OLD PLANTATION ROAD, thought to be Marshall Plantation connected (FACT); LOTS more stuff... (FACT) Gotta be in Richmond, Va. for "business" on Oct. 10 - 11, 2007... THOSE days are out...
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Post by David on Oct 6, 2007 10:00:02 GMT -5
Beale
Here is the notice of death about Sarah and where it can be found;
", an obituary published in the Tuesday, May 21, 1861 edition of the Lynchburg Virginian, transcribed in part as follows:
Died in this city on the 11th inst., at the residence of Mr. Jas. B. Ward, Mrs. SARAH MORRISS consort of Robert Morriss in the 77th year of her age....
Some where I have copies of the papers articles describing Morriss opening the Washington Hotel....I believe it was in 1825...when I find it I will send it to you...I am using it in part to refute the truth of The Beale Papers.
David Mason
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 6, 2007 10:24:51 GMT -5
Yo! ;D That's good David, that you have the stuff... look forward to seeing beale's "post" on it. Let's look at the "job print"... I thought it said that Robert Morriss LEASED the Washington Inn/Hotel at the "time of interest", working as Manager there; maybe taking ownership of it in 1825. "Aunt" Sarah Morriss DID die as you stated, at the home of J. Beverly Ward, and it was WARD, who was interviewd by the Hart Bros. later. beale, I can ONLY speculate that Morriss' "wealth" came from his family in northern Virginia; STILL need to do research into that at Jones Memorial Library, where EVERYONE goes to do their own historical/geneological research...
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Post by TOMm on Oct 6, 2007 13:43:03 GMT -5
To answer your where dose the info come from get the library loan system and get gALLATTIN SECRETARY AND TREASURE OF these UNITED states then go to amazon and see if you can find a book named the SIGNERS OF THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE AND YOU HAVE THE INFO ALSO
maybe you'll be able two see where there was eleven million dollars missing that old Albert could not explain , so since they took it and buried it now what he invents the 16 to one paper money system and Albee gallatian out lived every one of the good old boys he knew them all. and had all the states treasury at hand he left for swiss . and was gone for years he was a master 3d artist and teacher he had the first successful bank in the states , where OH! where? did he get money from since he didn't have 600 bucks ? but started a bank ? well some of it was fake BARS i can easily prove that.
i gave you references all you need to do is read them .
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Post by TOMm on Oct 6, 2007 14:02:54 GMT -5
hello agin men
TUR _KEY FOOT (Toes) road is about 22 miles east of FORT you will see the Necessity of it not far from bed ford county.
all thabout 14 miles from Accidentquite near AWL thats DARK IN THEM abot 40miles from bed ford get out topozone.com
1 Turkewy foot 2 Accident 3 DARK Hollow 4 BED FORd 5 PIGS(SOW) EAR AND THE KICKER IS YOU will YOUGHENY RIVER you is in one sheet and thegheney is fom thge other sheet and the word FRIENSHIP (in Pamphlet IS GALLATTIN HOME PLACE NAME all, all with in a 40mile area of bed for county.
ant one gotta MAPPE \ TOMm
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Post by David on Oct 6, 2007 20:33:34 GMT -5
for Rebel KGC
I see a little word like refute causes a burning sensation in your bottom......hummmmm
Your are correct....The pamphlet says Robert Morriss leased the Washington hotel for a number of years.....no beginning date of this transaction is given....nor an ending date.
Then Robert Morriss gives the statement "It was in January of 1820 while keeping the Washington Hotel...."
But we can from this information extrapolate a possible starting point since the term "A number of years"...imply a number greater than 2 and we have the date January 1820. So we have a number of years greater than 2 and a date of a transaction which is 1818...Morriss could very well have leased the hotel anytime before that and then bought the hotel in 1825 but the article I mentioned only states Robert Morriss opened The Washington Hotel.
But then we have no knowledge of Robt. Morriss given in the pamphlet about his residency in the Washington Hotel preceding January 1820 that we can give attention to so without firm facts everything else is pure speculation..
So what have we learned here.........Nothing......Nada Just my happy fingers going for a walk as yours must have been doing.
But I do have a question for you Rebel...........
By your familiar reference to Mrs. Sarah Morriss the use of the word(you emphasised)...... "Auntie" Sarah Morriss, Are you telling us that she is a relative of yours, obviously somewhat removed, or some one you at one time were familiar with personally to entitle such use in a familiar fashion?
Just me........Walking the tongs David Mason
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 6, 2007 20:44:18 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Naw, David... the term "Aunt" was used by the Ward family... NO kin of mine... simply a term of endearment common in those days... NO burning bottom, either...
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Post by Not An Option on Oct 7, 2007 22:18:02 GMT -5
I did find the deed I was looking for I don't however know if it is for the Franklin Hotel or the Washington Hotel? Also I obtained a deed for a tract of land purchased by Robert Morriss in 1818. I believe there's an issue regarding that date - I'll need to turn up where I read it but from my hazy recollection it was in a 1923 newspaper that Morriss was announced as commencing the running of the Washington Hotel. My speculation was that while it is easy for us to research historical data now (e.g. internet, microfiche, libraries), it was harder back 100+ years ago and the Beale pamphlet author, when writing his fictitious account, got the date wrong for the hotel [as well as word usages such as stampede, and using grammar not of the same time period etc etc]. It may have been referred to in Bill Bryson's Made In America, if anyone has a copy handy (I read that not too long ago). NAO
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