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Post by charlie mason on Oct 8, 2007 2:11:25 GMT -5
hey...albert
i told all y'all that robt morriss ran a sporting house,,so now you know where all the money came from.. if you don't believe it then read the morriss statement regarding Beale and his foray unto the people at the premises of the Washington hotel.
morriss states he was always ready to fight and treated the women ok.. why would morriss mention all this if it wasn't a bordello..which by the way was not an unwholesome profession back in dem days..10-4
bt clodhopper
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 8, 2007 9:24:06 GMT -5
Yo! ;D
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Post by beale on Oct 12, 2007 16:52:54 GMT -5
I found a tidbit of information today about Robert Morriss. This may or may not disprove the "Job Print Pamphlet"? How well did the author of the "Job Print Pamphlet" dig into Robert Morriss' family tree I don't know? But anyway here it is:
Robert Morriss had a daughter that was married in 1823. Yes this is the truth. The "Job Print Pamphlet" now correct me if I am wrong says that Robert Morriss and Sarah Mitchell had no children. Evidently the author was somewhat distant when it comes to knowing Robert Morriss Esquire don't you think or either the author made up the whole story, don't know? I will keep digging and searching into this and I hope others do also.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 12, 2007 17:13:53 GMT -5
Yo! ;D beale, that is correct... it was stated in various "sources" (books, articles, etc.), that Robert & Sarah Morriss left NO descendants as they did not have children... what is MORE frustrating is that I do not know Robert Morriss' middle name OR initial. Please share what ya got... THANKS! There was NEVER "Esquire" after Robert Morriss... MAYBE Robert Morris, BUT! they are NOT the same person... BOTH names ARE in the "job print"... been causing CONFUSION every since 1966 (OR... 1885, if you wanna go back that far...).
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Post by beale on Oct 13, 2007 8:33:26 GMT -5
You are right rebel, it only said Robert Morriss, no esquire. The word esquire is just a word of respect, just like calling someone a docter instead of mister.
I am going to run with this lead for a while, it's something new and I will have to check it out. I believe the husband of Robert Morriss' daughter to be a tavern owner also. If true I will have to find the family connections to verify and they are not easy to find. And another thing Robert Morriss might have confided with his daughter about the cipher codes and there may be another original copy out there somewhere? That is what I am hopeing to find or either some papers and letters that may have belonged to Robert Morriss and maybe notes about TJB and the others that were members of his association.
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Post by legrand on Oct 13, 2007 12:48:58 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Oct 17, 2007 17:19:32 GMT -5
legrand,
I do not believe that EAP was the author of the "Job Print Pamphlet" or the story that might have lead up to the printing of the "Job Print Pamphlet."
In my studies and my research, I have come up with three possible authors of the "Job Print Pamphlet." One being, Jonathan B. Otey, another James Beverly Ward's wife, Harriett and the third I have as either Edward Sixtus Hutter or his brother Ferdinand. I believe Ferdinand Hutter was the author of the "Job Print Pamphlet" I am still digging in to this idea and I have been researching it heavily. Since, Jerry Falwell passed away is going to make it more difficult because the reverend lived in Ferdinand's old home place. Maybe I can talk to his son and obtain permission to look around the premises? But, anyway Ferdinand Hutter receives my vote as the author of the Beale Treasure Mystery. I have several reasons but when I get concrete evidence I will let everyone know.
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Post by kydave on Oct 18, 2007 12:06:22 GMT -5
I don't think anybody here believes Poe had anything at all to do with the Beale Saga. I think it would have been a little more dramatic if he had written any of it. A lot of writers back then used the same verbage and explanatory words. Theres a long list of people and i think Poe would be near the bottom. I don't think any people on the list would be using German terms or whatever they are either! But i read any and all ideas and suggestions.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 18, 2007 20:48:30 GMT -5
Yo! ;D kydave, you mean words like... " par excellence", "sans peur et sans reproache"? French, I think... tells me that whoever the author was... they knew SOME French; MAYBE, it was Thomas Jefferson... NOT likely tho, 'cause ... as YOU "pointed out", it does sound like word useage by "famous people" COULD have been imitated...
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Post by beale on Oct 19, 2007 17:07:49 GMT -5
I found out today, Robert Morriss was the eighth Mayor of Lynchburg in 1813. Not too bad for someone we can't find anything about. He was also a member of the Common Council something like a City Council and he was a member of a Branch of the Farmer's Bank of Virginia. He also had a daughter named HANNAH ANNA of which I can find no further information. If anyone can find any more information please share.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 19, 2007 17:26:11 GMT -5
Yo! ;D GREAT, beale! Now, we're getting somewhere... can you share the "source"?
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Post by beale on Oct 19, 2007 18:13:53 GMT -5
Yo! ;D GREAT, beale! Now, we're getting somewhere... can you share the "source"? Rebel, I found that Robert Morriss had a daughter named HANNAH ANNA in a book called, "Lynchburg, Virginia and Nelson County, Virginia Wills, Deeds and Marriages, 1807 - 1831" by The Rev. Bailey Fulton Davis page 21. The book also says that Hannah Anna married F.F. Brown most likely a son of William Brown, brother to Dr. James Brown. The Brown Family are heavily involved with the other people that are in the Beale Treasure Mystery. They were married November 18, 1823. It says Robert Morriss was the father of Hannah Anna Mitchell and that Miss Mitchell must be a widow? Security was given by James L. Claytor and William Mitchell, Jr. signed and sealed by William S. Reid who was the County Clerk of Campbell County at that time in 1823. The Franklin Hotel was built in 1817 by Samuel Harrison. Harrison bought the property from President Thomas Jefferson. I even have the bricklayer's name because of Thomas Jefferson highly honoring him to lay the front wall to his mansion Poplar Forest. The bricklayer's name was David Knight. Jefferson says he reserved the laying of the front wall for him in a letter to Burton Harrison's father July 5, 1823. (Burton Harrison by the way was the personal aide to President Jefferson Davis of the Confederate States of America) He also arranged for a contract with Mr. Harrison for the laying of 400,000 bricks on the building of Virginia University. The Brown Family at one time owned the Washington Hotel after obtaining ownership of the hotel sold and handed down by Seth Ward. I have also found out today that Seth Ward's wife was none other than the sister of Governor Clark of Missouri. When Robert Morriss took over the Franklin Hotel a rich aristocrat had previously owned it by the name of (sorry I didn't make a copy) But anyway, when Morriss took over he and his wife moved to St. Louis, Missouri. Their daughter married a Brown. Also remember that Angelina Brown that married Jonathan B. Ward called Sarah Mitchell her aunt as did the family of James Beverly Ward. All of this is interconnected and I only hope I can put all of the pieces of history back together to find the true meaning of the Beale Treasure Mystery. It is a FAMILY AFFAIR and the mystery has nothing to do with EAP.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 19, 2007 18:42:23 GMT -5
Yo! ;D THANKS, beale! I am ALSO getting a "sense" that ALL this is "family-related"... with MANY MASONS, CSA-connected spy stuff involved; Morriss MAY have been Jewish, as it is a "common spelling" of the name with Jewish heritage; he COULD have been VERY wealthy, entertaining the "elite"... being a member of the Masonic Lodge, with the "rituals" of the Lodge being MORE "Jewish/Old Testament" during the 1860's, etc., and IF so... MAY have known the Jewish ciphers using NUMBERS, to "encode" stuff... WHAT IF... we are supposed to "center" the search for B.T./CSA Treasury, etc. at WASHINGTON INN/HOTEL, looking for something within FOUR MILES of it? How's THAT for "outta da box" thinking? LOL. Blackwater Creek is NOW... my Goose Creek...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 19, 2007 20:21:20 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Speaking of Blackwater Creek... Wife & I were walking it from Langhorne Rd. exist and there are some HUGE cliffs along Blackwater Creek... was extremely suprised to see 'em in the middle of Lynchburg, Va. (1/4 mile up Rt. 501 from "Farm Basket Market"...); on SOME of the boulders were "writings, and I could make out '41... NOT sure if it was 1941 or 1841. Probably kids writing "Class of '41" stuff, NOT sure... gotta go back & investigate. MY "sense" is... gotta hike the WHOLE Blackwater Creek Trail, and REALLY look at the "BIG Rocks"... Writings look REALLY old...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 21, 2007 7:31:02 GMT -5
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