|
Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 22, 2007 8:23:06 GMT -5
Yo! "Posted" a "timeline" on the BEGINNING of this story in the LYNCHBURG, Va "THREAD"
|
|
|
Post by charlie mason on Oct 23, 2007 22:52:12 GMT -5
I want to correct a misconception ya'll have about MR Morriss not having family. Beale you stated the pamphlet states he had no children,that is wrong. The pamphlet states that the Author was to give one half of his share to certain relatives and others to whom he gave their names to the Author. No other mention of Morriss kin folks is mention except Sarah Mitchell Morriss whom he was married to. So it is quite possible he did have children from reading the pamphlet we cannot determine the familial relationship at all,just that he had relatives other than his wife. bt clodhopper
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 25, 2007 10:38:15 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Charlie, MY "response" is based on the "Job Print" PLUS other books about the Beale Treasure (Peter Viemister, etc)... AND! talking to pp in Bedford, Lynchburg, etc. IF you have "sources" that state kids/descendants of Robert & Sarah MORRISS, please provide such... THANKS!
|
|
|
Post by beale on Oct 25, 2007 16:02:15 GMT -5
I want to correct a misconception ya'll have about MR Morriss not having family. Beale you stated the pamphlet states he had no children,that is wrong. The pamphlet states that the Author was to give one half of his share to certain relatives and others to whom he gave their names to the Author. No other mention of Morriss kin folks is mention except Sarah Mitchell Morriss whom he was married to. So it is quite possible he did have children from reading the pamphlet we cannot determine the familial relationship at all,just that he had relatives other than his wife. bt clodhopper clodhopper, You are correct that it was not in the "Job Print Pamphlet" I remembered reading it. I found it written in Peter Viemeister's Red Book, "A History of a Mystery" on page 149, last line of paragraph two. Peter did a substantial amount of research in Lynchburg and in the Bedford Museum, all of the post or practically all of the post made by "rebel" is plowed ground that Peter V. has already been over. I have already read all of the books that are being posted and I have already visited all of the websites that are being posted among hundreds of others that I have been too. It is a general consensus that Robert Morriss and Sarah Mitchell had no children because both of them died at the home of a relative. Any relative does not make it your children. I was only posting a daughter of Robert Morriss and Sarah Mitchell Morriss. That is news at least it was to me. If no one wants to read about news such as this I will forever keep all of my secrets and research to myself as others do. It is easy to read and nick pick through one's post and find something wrong most of the time. But to cut it short clodhopper you are right, I was wrong it was not in the "Job Print Pamphlet" But I knew it to be an understood fact. Have a nice day. You too rebel, no dis-interest intended, it is all right for you to post what you have been doing maybe others have not checked them out? But, be assured I have left no stone unturned.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 25, 2007 19:03:17 GMT -5
Yo! ;D THANKS! beale... went to Jones Memorial Library today... they have NOTHING on Robert Morriss... NO original "Job Print" ( I thought they would)... P.V. claimed he saw one from a descendant of J. Beverly Ward (dunno)... David "posted" he saw one... hmmmm... ALSO, went to Lynchburg Museum... saw painting of OLD Lynchburg (up from the River); the ONLY Inns/Hotels on THIS painting are: Hoyle Tavern, Indian Queen Tavern, Bell Tavern, Western Hotel, City Hotel, & Cross Keys Tavern... I am guessing it is from early 1800's, when Lynchburg was just "growing". NO "listing" of Washington Hotel is indicated... hmmmm...
|
|
|
Post by David Mason on Oct 26, 2007 10:31:38 GMT -5
Rebel,
If you want to see an original pamphlet....go to VMI, the George Marshall Library...Request the Librarian to show it to you...It is the copy that the Harts sent to George Fabyan, (See Gold in The Blue Ridge by Pauline Innis). The Librarian was most congenial when I was there about 4 or 5 years ago and was allowed to not only see it but I was able to purchase a copy of it for myself...I believe the price for the copy was $8.00....No hummmm here I saw an original.
David
|
|
|
Post by David Mason on Oct 26, 2007 11:22:10 GMT -5
Also Rebel,
If you get to see the original, also enclosed in the folder is some letters from Fabyans wife where she makes notes about Innis making corrections to the original pamphlet to match what she put in her book which if you read the letter shows her displeasure about the pencil marks made on it. And the corrections made are in error.....just need to read the letter to understand. And by the way this copy had a Green Cover to it and was well worn with notes made by Fabyan from when he worked on it. I compared the copy with Viemeisters book which I purchased from P. V. on the same trip and they were a match...Innis' book copy does not match....So I use PV's book copy to work from since I PERSONALLY verified for myself which is the true version....,..Hope you do the same.
David.....
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 26, 2007 16:47:35 GMT -5
Yo! ;D David, I NEVER doubted that you saw the original "Job Print"... when I "wrote" "hmmmm..." it was simply to ask myself... "where do I go from here?" Thank you for your answer... VMI LIBRARY (been meaning to go there as indicated in a previous "post")... ANOTHER "clue" to me that ALL this is CSA "asset" (Treasury/weapons) related. I PLAN to go there... THANKS!! AND!!! I think you know by now, that I WILL verify and YES!!! I trust P.V. also in HIS investigations... may wanna read his last book on "Beale Treasure"... CONFEDERATE TREASURE COVERUP: DUTY, HONOR & DECEIT.
|
|
|
Post by beale on Oct 27, 2007 15:22:39 GMT -5
Seeing an original of the "Job Print Pamphlet" and saying that it is an exact copy of Peter V's does not make it the "original copy"
Myself, I believe Pauline Innis' copy in her book, "Gold in the Blue Ridge" to be the "original copy"
I can not at this time dispute what David and others are saying either. I can only know what I believe until I find concrete evidence.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 27, 2007 16:53:12 GMT -5
Yo! ;D beale, you AND David mentioned Pauline's book; now I'm gonna share what I have found... RE-READING Pauline's book and reviewing the "mass market" appeal of the Beale Cipher(s)/Treasure story GREATLY concerns me because... in Pauline's book, GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE, she wrote, page 15, "The following narrative describing the adventures of THOMAS JEFFERSON BEALE and his companions SHOULD BE CONSIDERED AS DOCUMENTARY FICTION." Page 10, (SAME BOOK); "Ten years ago, P.B. Innis was given a copy of the Beale Treasure CODES by Mr. George Hart.".... P.B. Innis wrote the story in ARGOSY magazine in 1964." THEN, she has the BEALE PAPERS by JAMES B. WARD (pg. 130 -176). She ALSO has the HART PAPERS (pg. 178 - 201). MOST of the info I have re-viewed has J. BEVERLY WARD... HER book says T.J.B. created the Codes (pg. 107 - 110); my questions are: Where did Pauline get THE BEALE PAPERS... and, the HART PAPERS? Why are MOST of the "pros" who analized the "Code(s)" in the "SPY BUSINESS"... OR... "connected" to CSA, CSA "Assets", VMI? WHERE IS OLIVER STONE??? ;D
|
|
|
Post by beale on Oct 27, 2007 17:09:11 GMT -5
A couple of months ago Pauline Innis passed away at the age of 89, I am sorry to report.
Her first book which was mostly fiction based on the Hart brother's work with the clayvoinet. However her cipher codes were from the "original codes" before they were published for circulation to the public. Hazelwood's words to Clayton Hart. Pauline found the iron box and the cipher papers in southwest Roanoke with a member of the Otey Family. Clayton Hart married Isaac Otey's daughter which made him a brother in law to Paschal Bufford's wife.
Pauline Innis' book, "NEW, Gold in the Blue Ridge" with the gold cover has all of this story in it along with letters sent between her and George Hart.
As I said I don't have enough information to verify either way, but I believe that Pauline Innis' cipher codes in her book are the "original codes"
I believe the Beale Treasure Mystery is a true story and I don't believe it had anything to do with the CSA. However, last Thursday the Danville Newspapers said that the CSA Treasury was at the Danville Lumber Yard. I know for a fact this is not true! The treasure train parked between Craghead and Lynn Streets. The back of the train was near where the lumber yard is today. It was a grove that Captain Parker and his middies sat up camp. There is no way a treasure would be buried under the watchful eyes of the youthful eyes of the middies.
|
|
David
Senior Member
Moving on to new horizons
Posts: 134
|
Post by David on Oct 27, 2007 22:56:10 GMT -5
Seeing an original of the "Job Print Pamphlet" and saying that it is an exact copy of Peter V's does not make it the "original copy" Myself, I believe Pauline Innis' copy in her book, "Gold in the Blue Ridge" to be the "original copy" I can not at this time dispute what David and others are saying either. I can only know what I believe until I find concrete evidence. Beale....You are absolutely correct, seeing a authentic copy of the Beale Pamphlet from the 1920's and comparing it to a copy made available in the 1990's does not make it the ORIGINAL PAPERS. It only verifies that PV's copy in his book New History of A Mystery is a true copy of the JB Ward publication of 1885...His copy made available by a descendant of Ward and Fabyans copy given to him by the Harts...Two different copies from two different sources and both being the same seems to me to validate the authenticity that the copies are Wards original publication. I am not privy to what is in PB Innis' updated version of Gold in the Blue Ridge as I have not found it necessary to procure a copy of it to read. I find in her original book the circumstances by which she became familiar with The Beale Papers and find this to probably be the true story of her involvement into it....In this book she denies having knowledge about where the original papers are or that she had them and that the location of the Iron Box was unknown. If after she published this book, she then found the Originals and The Iron Box...Just where the hell is/are they located for some one to validate their existence George Harts writings about his brothers dealings with Hazelwood invalidates the idea Hazelwood had the originals...Hazelwood did not have the BC2 deciphering and this forced Clayton Hart to seek out a JB Ward Pamphlet...The authors description of the papers containing ciphers does not match the Hart description of the Hazelwood papers given for copying. All in all a Man's gonna believe what a Man's gonna believe. You believe it's real....I believe it's a game. Only time will tell one way or the other about What is Truth...........Keep on trucking David
|
|
|
Post by beale on Oct 28, 2007 12:35:13 GMT -5
David,
Your way of believing it is a game will only give you the satisfaction of maybe decyphering some hidden message by a writer or author. My way of believing will lead to $30 Million dollars in gold, silver and jewels.
Robert Morriss was by all that knew him an honest and trustworthy man. James Beverly Ward was credited with the same traits. How can the Beale Treasure Mystery be a game. I will continue to search for the long lost Beale Treasure, you can continue to play your number game.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 2, 2007 6:51:46 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Went to "fave" used books shop in L'burg yesterday, and found the paperback GOLD COVER GITBR by Pauline... ONLY one there... like new... almost as if it was "meant for me" (probably was...); ANYWAY, beale is correct in "saying" it had ADDITIONAL research info. ; next to last page... letter by Geo. (George) L. Hart, dated 9/11/1964 (911!!! LGA!!! ...) "I was initiated into the Masonic order at Roanoke , Va., in 1919.... I am also a member of Kazim Temple, Roanoke, Va. (Shrine)...."; he was writing about utilizing a "Masonic KEY"... never was done, and NO solution, "finding"/recovery of B.T. was indicated... he was @ 91 years old, at the time. As a FreeMason, 32nd Scottish Rite, 7th York Rite (Royal Arch Mason), Shriner, to MY knowledge, there is NO numerical codes to be utilized by FreeMasons in "solving" the code(s). MAYBE they used SACRED GEOMETRY & GEMATRIA from Royal Arch FreeMasonry of the 1860's ... DUNNO.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 18, 2007 9:43:55 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Franklin Hotel... Federal style building; west corner of Main Street & 11th, in the Chestnut Grove area of Lynchburg, Va.; as beale "said", built by Samuel Jordan Harrison, Nov. 1, 1818. The Franklin Hotel in the early 1850's became the Norvell House until 1885, when closed & demolished. In beale's "post" # 26, he alluded to David Knight, a bricklayer, who helped Thomas Jefferson at Jefferson Forest... the OTHER bricklayer was Matthew Brown... they were BOTH from Lynchburg, Va. and built the Franklin Hotel (I think)... they ALSO built the original "LAWN" at UVA, according to T.J.'s "vision"... etext.lib.virginia.edu/jefferson/gizzard/chap01.htmlSAMUEL JORDAN HARRISON @ www.batteaufestival.com/history/harrison.aspfrom Beale Paper(s) @ unmuseum.org/bealepap.htm"he removed to the Franklin Hotel, now the Norvell House, the largest and best arranged in the city...." (Lynchburg, Va.) Yet... IF the Norvell House was demolished, in 1885... ANYWAY... just "google" FRANKLIN HOTEL... NORVELL HOUSE... SAMUEL JORDAN HARRISON...
|
|