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Post by beale on Apr 10, 2007 21:18:42 GMT -5
I have been researching for the past couple of days. I have gotten rid of all my old post for the past two years. Trying to start out all over again.
I have found where Jesse James and his gang met with a Beall Family in Central West Virginia after the Bank Job the James' Gang pulled off in Huntington, West Virginia. The prize was reported to be $10,000. I haven't found out whether this was in gold, coin or paper? But one thing is for sure they were not headed back west, they were 150 miles east of Huntington, West Virginia visiting relatives with a posse hot on their trail.
As wide range as the James' Gang operated it is possible they could have had a depository in Bedford County, Virginia. They ranged robberies as far south as Northern Mexico and Texas. They robbed as far North as Northfield, Minnosota and they robbed as far East as West Virginia. So it is not out of the possibilities that they could have been to Roanoke or Bedford Counties here in Virginia.
A large amount of the James' Gang plunder is believed by relatives I have talked to-------to be hidden in a cave in Tucker County, West Virginia. The James' Gang hid out for over eight months in West Virginia before going back to Missouri and Oklahoma. Anyone out there in West Virginia related to Frank and Jesse James?
Oh and by the way, the James' Gang stole about $2 Million Dollars in Gold Bullion, Silver Bars and Jewelry in Northern Mexico. It was called the burroshoe treasure. This treasure even though the tree stump with burroshoe that Jesse James left nailed to the tree was found and the brass bucket that had the gangs name scratched on it by Jesse James has been found, but this treasure of $2 Million Dollars has not been found--------could it be that they brought it to Virginia and hid the twenty burros of gold, silver and jewelry-------also could this be the Beale Treasure? If the Beale Treasure had been hidden in 1875 by the James' Gang the treasures value would have been about $2 Million Dollars instead of the $750,000 for a treasure buried in 1822? Don't know but it sure looks good to me that these treasures almost coincide with amounts and dates----------one dated 1885--Beale Treasure and the other 1875-----the Burroshoe Treasure?
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Post by HoJo on Apr 10, 2007 21:50:49 GMT -5
Come On Guys???
Where in the world do you find this sort of revisionist history? No way on this green earth was Jesse James robbing banks, stage coaches, or people in West Virginia. This must have come from a Michael Moore movie or a Jesse Jackson speech
Post some reference here where this information can be found that can be varified.
I have read a lot of James history and have never found anything this outlandish within it.
reference, reference, reference. Give Reference
HoJo
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Post by beale on Apr 11, 2007 5:08:12 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 11, 2007 8:36:50 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D It is raining out... got "High-Test"... gotta go to Lynchburg, Va. (moving there by May 1st...); Yep, beale, there is a James "connection"; review the copies I sent you on Stewartsville from Bedford Villages - Lost & Found # 3... The James boys used to come up to see their kin in Stewartsville, Va. AND the Dalton families in that area... (their momma was a Dalton from Georgia...); I have "posted" previously elsewhere on this, BUT! I called them Jesse Dalton & Frank Dalton... names used, and! IT MAY WELL BE THAT "Buck" W. T. Wright (mystery man of upper Goose Creek Valley) was REALLY Frank James, who came EAST to Virginia AFTER Jesse James was "killed" out WEST... the doc who did autopsy on "Buck" said he was "scared up" right bad... don't think it was from the Civil War; "Buck" DID say he was one of the Youngers from the Cole Younger Gang... you have the "hard copies", I sent you...
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Post by HoJo on Apr 11, 2007 9:04:58 GMT -5
I went to the website you posted as a reference and here are two quotes from that page....
Many "John Does" would rob, say they were Jesse and Gang, then disappear
* It is not known for certain that James-Younger Gang members took part in these robberies
As you can see, there is no evidence to suggest that Jesse James was robbing in West Virginia only the saying of some yahoos who claimed they were part of the James Gang.
A close look at the amounts of money stolen would suggest if James were stealing all of it, He went to his grave as a multi-millionaire. This is a non varifiable history revisionist theory that has no real substance and should be considered fiction not fact.
Based on this evidence you presented the connection of Jesse James to the Beale Treasure is totally unrealistic and cannot be take seriously.
HoJo
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 11, 2007 9:22:07 GMT -5
Ho Jo... tell us where you are from... send MORE web-sites that YOU have on Jesse & Frank... THANKS !!!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 12, 2007 19:35:47 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 12, 2007 19:40:35 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 12, 2007 19:45:26 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 12, 2007 21:50:00 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: LAST "piece" of R & D... according to FRANK JAMES, SCHOLAR WITH A GUN @ www.ericjames.org/Frank_James_Scholar_with_a_Gun.html "Shakespeare had become his favorite works.... During the War (Civil War), Frank had been tabbed with the nickname, "BUCK"."
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Post by beale on Apr 13, 2007 7:12:13 GMT -5
Many thanks, rebel. I liked reading those links, especially the one by Jesse James III. I will save them to "my favorites" Right interesting Fank James' nickname "Buck" and the fellow on the mountain--------one of the mountain men or "sentinels" named "Buck" We need to find out all about this man "Buck Wright" I have a photo of him, can we get a computer whizz to impose this photo over Frank James' to see if they are the same man. Wouldn't it be something if "Bear" Tolley turned out to be "Jesse James" himself. Sure is right interesting.
My father use to tell me tales of Jesse James. How he heard these tales was through his father and grandfather. My great grandfather on my dad's side of the family was a special agent for the CSA. He shot and killed another "BUCK" in West Virginia-----Buck Lester. Lester had stolen a Yankee payroll down in Mason County West Virginia near Man, West Virginia. Lester was also a "sniper" he shot at about anyone or anything that moved. My Great grandfather and his lieutenant Bill Sweeney called up with Buck Lester near a place called "Pea Patch" on the Virginia and West Virginia border. Buck Lester had five women with him on that fateful day. I wrote this story in "Treasure" magazine a long time ago. I am going to dig out a copy of it. I know I purposely wrote that Lt. Bill Sweeney shot and killed Buck Lester when in fact it was my Great Grandfather Sampson Estepp that delivered the deadly shot. The five women unable to carry Buck Lester back home to "Pea Patch" drug Buck Lester down through a laurel thicket and buried him on a flat sink hole above a branch of Little Slate Creek which empites into the Little Sandy River and then into the Tug River at Iaeger, West Virginia. I have been to Buck Lester's gravesite several times-----------holes have been dug ten feet deep, twenty feet wide and fifty feet long in that area for Buck's gold--------most likely the gold is buried back at "Pea Patch?" Everyone is still hunting for this army payroll near Man, West Virginia on the Tug River when in fact it was removed the day it was stolen to McDowell County near "Pea Patch" Talk to you later rebel. Thanks and many thanks.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 13, 2007 12:46:33 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: (Sunny & COLD !!! out... ...); beale, I think they are the same person... look at the "hard copy" pic of "Buck" W. T. Wright that I sent you (one of THAT "Buck" on his donkey, holding an umbella...), and then go to your web-site you gave us... www.islandnet.com/~the-gang/index.html OR go to www.islandnet.com/~the-gang/A._F._James.jpg and compare the pics... UNCANNY... it looks like the SAME person. I know that a guy on another web-site (ancient.net or something like that...), from Canada stated he could do "digital comparsion" like you have in "mind"; we can discuss this further... MAYBE solve the "Mystery Man of Upper Goose Creek Valley"... Frank has been stated to have been a doctor... and a FreeMason... read it SOMEWHERE.
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Post by beale on Apr 13, 2007 16:10:51 GMT -5
Yes, rebel, Frank James was a Doctor--------might be the reason "Buck" didn't mind living alone in the mountains. I believe Buck and Frank are one and the same. Frank was well educated and loved reading "Shakespeare"
When my father told me tales of Jesse James, he told them as though he had met the man. I believe the reason for this was the stories layed down in such detail by his father and grandfather. By the way Sampson Estepp was my great uncle, his brother Isaac was my great grandfather. I know where both of their graves are. I always wondered why my father spoke of Jesse James all the time and not Billy the Kid? He told about Jesse James riding at full gallop and taking two six guns shooting his initials on a tree. I read in an article where he did things like this to show off. But I heard it first from my father as a child.
I sure have to dig into this further. Especially since it is recorded in the history of Bedford County that Jesse and Frank James as Dalton's visited relatives in Stewardsville. See if you can find anything else in the history books up your way rebel. Since you are moving to Lynchburg also check into a super depository of the CSA, there should be rumors around the historical society members in Lynchburg. I know General Robert E. Lee moved anything of value toward Lynchburg before Richmond collapsed. Also the printing presses at least some of them from Columbia, South Carolina were printing CSA paper money in Lynchburg. Wonder what happened to them after the war. The printing presses in Columbia were owned by the American Printing Company. So much history and so little time to search and check it out? Talk to you later.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 13, 2007 19:07:45 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D ("High-test" Smile...): beale, plan to do several "projects" in Lynchburg AND Bedford... Lynchburg has JONES MEMORIAL LIBRARY, where I can find info on: Beale Treasure, Marshall Plantation, CSA "Treasury", T. T. Munford (wanna find his gravesite in L'burg, too... ...), Old Plantation Road, Turkey Foot Road, Turkey Toe Road; in Bedford, at the library AND museum... info on "Buck", "Bear", Hazlewood Family from Monvale, W. T. Wright, James Families & Dalton Families in Stewartsville (SOUTHWEST Bedford County... LGA !!!)... McIntosh Farm, Johnson Farm, Munford Farm, Marshall Plantation near Forest, Va.; AND whatever is at NEW JERUSALEM... WILL SEND "hard copies" of stuff of interest to you, so you can do "on the ground" stuff.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 13, 2007 19:48:26 GMT -5
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