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Post by beale on Nov 10, 2009 19:00:46 GMT -5
There is plenty of proof. Whether it meets your criteria of verifiable is for you to decide. The fire was in May 1883. This was a disastrous event for a small town and the whole community pitched in to help the victims' families. Ward applied for copyright in March 1884, 10 months later. The first announcement of the publication of the pamphlet was April 1885. Ward was the contact for purchase at 50 cents. After that he disappeared from the sequence of events. Sherman bought the newspaper from Button in November 1885. Shortly after, it ran into financial difficulty. From April to August 1886, the booklet was advertised 84 times in his paper at 10 cents, and the purchase contact was his office boy at the newspaper's address. He declared bankruptcy in February 1887. He was a prolific dime novelist. He was a first cousin of Ward. All his other novels have similar plots. His newspaper in previous years had stories about gold finds out west, and buried treasure. All of these are historical verifiable facts. As for the Hart Papers and "truth", the part I remember most were the sessions with a psychic. Your choice. Still you are saying, "if this" then "this" "if this" then "this" To me that is pure speculation. As for the Hart's and thier hunts for about 40 years, especially Clayton's hunt was. I can not simply get hung up on the physic portions of it, although I did enjoy to read it. I took a lot more out of the Hart's search and expanded upon it. You would be surprised of some of my findings, not speculations. But you can believe whatever you wish, just don't expect everyone to believe your side only. It takes several horses to make a horse race and I myself choose another horse.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 10, 2009 22:35:15 GMT -5
I don't "buy" the Sherman "bit", either... don't get bogged down by the "psychic bit"; similar to "remote viewing", done by US Army Intelligence, and CIA. Hazelwood, Hart Bros., P. Innis, et. al. have ALL added to this "mystery", and Claudine Ellis's book has added MUCH MORE to this... Ron, have YOU read it?
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Post by legrand on Nov 11, 2009 0:47:06 GMT -5
The Beale Papers story is more than just a dime novel. I think we should heed what Roy Dallas is proposing. I think that "Red Knee" is not only a reference to Poe's tarantula in The Gold-Bug, but now there is reason to know that "Red Knee" is also a location. There is more to the mansion... We're getting closer. For whatever reason, the Beale Papers takes on the writing style of Poe. Mixing Poe writing style (intimation) with a tarantula takes us squarely to The Gold-Bug tale. The Gold-Bug hides a secret missive detailing a mansion hiding wealth. I've come to learn that certain secret society(s) dwell on 3's. Virginia treasure, mansion treasure, and the other one...the big one. Templar...King Soloman's treasure. Further details will remain hidden for now for obvious reasons. We must work more on this. In the meantime, study my Blogspot at: www.projectredknee.blogspot.comStudy what was hidden in the pamphlet. Accept what was hidden in the pamphlet...study that. It doesn't really matter who wrote it. We're getting closer. Watch the movie National Treasure very closely...sure resembles the mansion at the end of the show! Ron...really pushing the Sherman idea here and on: www.breakingcodes.blogspot.com [The Beale Papers post]
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Post by Ron Gervais on Nov 11, 2009 7:36:17 GMT -5
Gentlemen:
As I said in my first posting, treasure hunters' dreams will live on. You have earned the right to send me a "I told you so" email when the treasure is found.
Happy TH'ing.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 11, 2009 8:22:20 GMT -5
;D
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Post by kydave on Nov 11, 2009 11:20:53 GMT -5
My only interest has always just been the "numbers"! ;D
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 11, 2009 12:14:25 GMT -5
Mumbling appropriate pass-word, and giving appropriate sign; ah, yes! 1 + 2 = 3... 3x3 (RAM); reminds me of that OLD story, in which the old man screamed... "WHY, 3 times 3?" Ah well...
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Post by kydave on Nov 11, 2009 15:49:12 GMT -5
Ha! Got the "Sign" but i can't understand the "mumbeling"! ;D Jealous because you got 32 and i only got 3, but i do pay less taxes!
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Post by beale on Nov 11, 2009 17:35:56 GMT -5
It is great to be in an organization such as the masons. But, myself I believe it is similar to a man I knew in the army. He came home on leave; got out drinking; boasting about how he knew karate and judo. Another man standing by knocked him out as cold as kraut while explaining, "karate is good if you get a chance to use it. Similar to 32 degree masons, I don't want you to take this wrong because I know absolutely nothing about the organization. I just don't believe it makes one smarter or more intelligent than another. I also don't believe that being a member gives you an insight into viewing the world differently than anyone else. I may be wrong but that is only my thoughts on the matter. Enough said get back to Beale treasure hunting if the rain from Ida will let up.
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Post by treasure1822 on Nov 11, 2009 18:11:10 GMT -5
I have a question.... About how many wagon loads would it have taken to move 8 tons of treasure? Also, how many horses to pull each wagon considering the route of travel? I have never been to Virginia and have no idea what travel conditions would have been like in 1819.
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Post by treasure1822 on Nov 11, 2009 18:12:12 GMT -5
I am sorry, I ment to say 4 tons of treasure.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 11, 2009 20:15:00 GMT -5
1819? PRIMITIVE... VERY PRIMITIVE. BOTH treasure loads were buried in WINTER; roads/trails/paths were PROBABLY muddy, POSSIBLY FROZEN... haven't done the "weather in Virginia" research for those years. Wagons? MAYBE 5... Horses? MAYBE 6 - 8 per wagon; depends on weight. Looking at Lewis & Clark Expedition, they ONLY walked, rode horses... traveling "light"; of course, they had a job to do for Prez. T. Jefferson.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 12, 2009 8:12:04 GMT -5
;D "Google" MAP - STATES & TERRITORIES OF USA, MARCH 2, 1819 - Dec. 14, 1819. On this map is EASTERN "seaboard" with states, PLUS Missouri Territory, and Viceroyalty of New Spain (Spain). St. Louis, Mo. is in the Missouri Territory... and Santa Fe is DEEP in "New Spain". TJ Beale & Co. found GOLD, NORTH of Santa Fe (New Spain?), then headed BACK to Virginia via St. Louis. I would read the Lewis & Clark Expedition papers to get an idea on the "condition of the roads". I CAN tell you that "roads" in Bedford County, Va. & Lynchburg, Va. were VERY primitive... and SOME old roads, are NOW US Forest Service Fire Roads (that wagons traveled on)... VERY primitive with DIFFICULT ascent up the mountain (NOWka BLUE RIDGE PARKWAY).
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 12, 2009 9:09:15 GMT -5
GOOD questions are "asked" @ www.criticalenquiry.org/beale/beale.shtml I DO NOT agree with his final "legend only" answer... I have SEEN too much, READ too much, and LISTENED/TALKED with the "local natives" of Bedford County & Lynchburg, Va. to "KNOW". NOW! THAT said, I am MORE interested in the HISTORY, rather than the TREASURE; although finding "it" would be nice... I just think it is CSA-connected. (MHO).
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Post by kydave on Nov 12, 2009 10:36:53 GMT -5
Yo Rebel! Didn't most of the roads West actually start as Buffalo trails? Such large herds of Buffalo that they ate and trampled down everything in their path and i assume they took the easiest route with food and water? Also i've thought about those "deep" wagon tracks, bet any outlaw or Indian would follow those thinking they had to be carrying something good!
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