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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 26, 2009 13:01:35 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 26, 2009 19:17:44 GMT -5
AND! It gets BETTER! At ONE time, the pastor was... Rev. Cindy Grubbs; Cindy is NO longer active as pastor... BUT! She IS.. PV's WIFE! Talk about "inside information"! NEXT time, I see her, (and I have...); gonna ask her about that BIG "ball"/BEAD in front of that chuirch! ;D
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Post by beale on Jun 26, 2009 20:32:12 GMT -5
Well done, rebel. Cindy is one of the nicest people you will ever meet. I metal detected with her son in the backyard of Peter's bookstore in Bedford. We found a few coins and a thimble that looked to be silver. That was many years ago. Cindy never changes as all good people seem to stay that way. They are very few people passing through this world that are good but I have to say Cindy is good and very good. Well the whole family is down to Earth good people. In my travels, I find that there are still good people out there and to me I believe that is why the Lord is delaying his return----because of the few good people.
kydave, I would like to thank you for the compliment on my research. I have gone way beyond what I have revealed. You can't let every single fact to be known and have it running around, someone may beat me to the treasure. I have found the connection Hazelwood and the Hart brothers were looking for, they were close but still far off. I found connections between the man that found the gold out west, the Beale Family and connections to the guides that took them to Sante Fe and back again. I hope to reveal all of this when I get permission on the property to dig up the treasure. I revealed about 90% in the "Diary of Thomas J. Beall" but still I did not tell all. I just can not work my way around problems with landowners. Most don't need the money, so therefore they do not want to be bothered. It's a shame, but that is the way they are. We will see as I try hard every day to make things happen. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 26, 2009 20:47:12 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 27, 2009 22:04:58 GMT -5
;D MORE on Mt. Zion Church: BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol. 3; p. 93, at "top right"... The 1864 Gilmer map of Virginia, shows at least one pre-Civil War church... history of Montvale area: "ZION CH." Depicted on a hill above the Lynchburg-Salem Turnpike and near the confluence of the North & South forks of GOOSE CREEK, refers to the MT. ZION BAPTIST CHURCH. Located on the eastern edge of the Montvale community, this church building appears to be the first one erected in the area. The congregation traces its origins to 1824. 1824... on land originally owned by P. Buford... a TRIANGLE! For the church...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 28, 2009 6:30:47 GMT -5
;D Ahhh! HIGH-TEST! MORE on Mt. Zion Church... BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol 3 - pg. 10 - 11. William Irvine deeded one acre on a hillside overlook ing the western road and Goose Creek to Paschal Buford, Abraham Buford, Robert Camp- bell, and Nicholus Percy. On this tract was to be built a meeting house which would become known as Mt. Zion Church... The lot was TRI- ANGULAR in shape and bordered the turnpike, (LATER) the Virginia and Tennessee Railroad, and the NORTH fork of Goose Creek. INTERESTING. Gonna research the "Ball"/Bead on top of Taylor Mountain NEXT... "Stinging up" my banjo...
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Post by beale on Jun 28, 2009 7:15:59 GMT -5
Rebel, That entry must be an old one, Abraham Buford moved to Kentucky before 1800. He received a tract of land for his services in the Revolutionary War. His land in Kentucky was located in the Big Bend of the Kentucky River. If you get out and walk up the road to the Mt. Zion Church to your right and running east with the railroad is the old Salem Turnpike. South bound 460 runs on some of the old road bed. Just to the east of Mt. Zion Church the Salem Turnpike runs North of the railroad and becomes the now Irving Road. It ran up the creek bed where 717 turns up Taylor's Mountain. I walked all up and down 460 verifying all of this one whole day in a down pour of cold rain. Almost got the pneumonia from that search.
By the way, the lease or rented triangle property was a small portion of a larger tract of land. I have the deeds back to when the land was granted to it's owner. The mill just below there at one time was owned by Abraham Buford's son and James Beverly Ward around the 1850's. I have those deeds also. That is the reason on old maps you will see it called Buford's Mill.
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Post by key master on Jun 28, 2009 13:52:29 GMT -5
Rebel - I have a question for you, cant ask you here. You should still have my e-mail address. e-mail me.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 28, 2009 15:21:06 GMT -5
km, you can PM me, here. The MZC was in da Tyber area EAST of TODAY'S Montvale; plotting MZC and the "ball"/beam as a STRAIGHT line on the map included in BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND ends up in SMYRNA. ROUGHLY, south-west... to WALNUT GROVE CHURCH. HA! NOT "saying" it is da B.T., NAW... GOTTA understand, that the "Village" of SMYRNA was "created" AFTER the Civil War, in the UPPER GOOSE CREEK VALLEY, where da "mystery man of da mountain"... "BUCK" Wright lived. THEN, the village of SMYRNA "disappeared" from "history"... Rev. George P. Luck lived in SMYRNA, and was SURVEYOR for Bedford County, Va. in the Civil War + era, with TYBER & MZC being featured on the "YEAR 1864 CONFEDERATE MAP". Hmmmmm... BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol. 3., p. 101. The MAIN early Bedford County, Va. SURVEYOR was Isham Talbot. (BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol. 3, p. 70. LOTS of GREAT "stuff" being found. Will share MORE... LATER! ;D
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Post by beale on Jun 28, 2009 18:16:16 GMT -5
Paschal Buford built Mount Zion Church in 1822 after he got out of debt by selling Fancy Farm for $1 to get out of paying a substantial amount of money to Isaac Otey. There was an older church which stood off to the right or east near where the present railroad tunnel now stands. Buck Wright lived on the Blue Ridge Parkway between not far from where the road crossed over into Buchannon, Virginia. I don't think he ever lived in Smyrna. Also, G.P. Luck lived further down North Goose Creek below the Kent Area. Mr. Kent's wife was a brother-in-law to Paschal Buford. As for the bead line you are talking about, I can't see what it would have to do with the burial of the treasure? To complicated to figure that one out?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 28, 2009 19:35:30 GMT -5
beale, you DO have a "habit" of "picking fights"; I NEVER said "Buck" lived in UPPER GOOSE CREEK VALLEY... I said he was the "MYSTERY MAN OF UPPER GOOSE CREEK VALLEY", I EVEN sent you copies of THAT info. The "date" I have for MZC is 1824/25. IF... you researched the info like I do MAYBE, you WOULD understand. DUNNO. Remember, I am researching CSA "assets", in addition to BT; SO FAR... it has been MOSTLY CSA "stuff"... in Bedford County.
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Post by beale on Jun 28, 2009 20:12:24 GMT -5
Rebel, I am not picking a fight. All I am saying is that the research in most of those books are off slightly. They may have been in a hurry to publish, don't know. But, I do know my research comes from the Clerk of Bedford County's Office. I don't know where those authors get their research from. I appreciate your research but please keep an open mind that some of the information we find while researching is eroneous and misquoted.
It seems to me like Isaac Otey knew something about a treasure at Fancy Farm near Kelso. He bought the property, then became a Virginia State Senator. Then Pashcal Buford thought he knew where the treasure was located on Fancy Farm so he bought the land from Isaac Otey his father-in-law and then he sold relatively quick to a William Otey and a William Cook. Now Jefferson Davis' mother was a William Cook. That is the only connection I could find between the CSA and the Beale Treasure. But there is a problem they were buying and selling this property during the 1820's--------maybe the Beale Treasure or a Revolutionary War Treasure? Keep on researching Rebel, I am not attacking you, just questioning the author's of your research. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 28, 2009 20:14:22 GMT -5
;D NOW! From BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol. 3, P. 120... Perhaps, the most important event of the time (1840's or 1850's) was the appearance of GEORGE PHILLIP LUCK... SECOND wife was Nancy Buford, daughter of Abaham BUFORD.... purchased a "tract" (of land) BELOW the Joseph Cofer tract... his home, until his (Luck) death in 1891.... Had land from the top of Taylor Mountain, also; even gave land for Walnut Grove Church. Luck was ORDAINED at MZC. ALL this info is from the section on SMYRNA; BV:L&F; pg. 116 - 122. THUS, the "connection" CSA/Civil War "assets"... centering around George P. Luck... a SURVEYOR... ORDAINED at MZC... owned land on Taylor Mountain (MAYBE, where the "Ball"/BEAD is.. DUNNO)... owned land and lived in SMYRNA area of Upper Goose Creek Valley. R & I continues on...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 28, 2009 20:24:13 GMT -5
;D TY, for "clarifying"... the SOURCES are from the DAR (DAUGHTERS OF THE AMERICAN REVOLUTION). These books HAVE info from the Clerk Offices, etc. ANYONE can purchase ALL three volumes from the Bedford (City/County) Museum, which I WILL do, as I am going "back and forth" to the library... to the museum, etc. These DAR "dames" have talked to the OLDER folks and SOME descendants of the orginal "settlers" of Bedford County; very LITTLE info on the B.T.; but, LOTS on CSA "stuff". At ONE time. P.V. was PRESIDENT of the Bedford Historical Society; so, I guess some info came from him, also. ;D
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Post by beale on Jun 28, 2009 21:32:59 GMT -5
;D NOW! From BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND; Vol. 3, P. 120... Perhaps, the most important event of the time (1840's or 1850's) was the appearance of GEORGE PHILLIP LUCK... SECOND wife was Nancy Buford, daughter of Abaham BUFORD.... purchased a "tract" (of land) BELOW the Joseph Cofer tract... his home, until his (Luck) death in 1891.... Had land from the top of Taylor Mountain, also; even gave land for Walnut Grove Church. Luck was ORDAINED at MZC. ALL this info is from the section on SMYRNA; BV:L&F; pg. 116 - 122. THUS, the "connection" CSA/Civil War "assets"... centering around George P. Luck... a SURVEYOR... ORDAINED at MZC... owned land on Taylor Mountain (MAYBE, where the "Ball"/BEAD is.. DUNNO)... owned land and lived in SMYRNA area of Upper Goose Creek Valley. R & I continues on... Rebel, I had a good reply but this stupid "post reply" wiped the slate clean. But to summarize for the most part, you are barking up the right trees. I can not reveal much more as I don't want to give up all of my research. Keep up the R & I. Albert Hint: The Luck Family as well as the Buford and Otey Family knew about the Beale Treasure before the Job Print Pamphlet was ever published? It was a family affair. Albert
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