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Post by TOMm on Sept 16, 2006 21:10:30 GMT -5
Hello David i looked over your collums Starting from the far right side phonecticaly maybe this yzst mn gav to u pic puzel tu fazs tu wisest men gave to you piture puzels two phazes the p used twice look for V O G Z T == gov zac taylor FARM BOOK LIKE tom jeff QKEYS MAYBE CUKE (melon) CARNEGIE INSTUTUTE UVW MAYBE WEST VIRGINIA UNIVERSITY (UNIINTELIGABLE WITH OUT -KEYS-KEZ) NUZ MAYBE NEWS... GAVE NEWS TO GOV ZT EIGHT LETTERS TO THE RIGHT = H z A V HAV HAYS ....HANNABLE YLR STON <<<<< NOT IN THIS ORDER BUT WITH IN COLLUM YELLOW STONE K LEX <<<< LEXINGTON K MRS ? jUST A FEW IDEAS OF WHAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE SOME MORE CLUES OR WORTHLESS PHONECTICs ITS A LONG SHOT TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Sept 20, 2006 1:28:12 GMT -5
hello once a gain
if you do a google search on jesse james WEST VIRGINIA THEN VIRGINIA
You will find the name DINGUS a name USED BETWEEN FRANK & JESS I THINK FRANK CALLED JESSE DINGUS FOR A NIK NAME ITS IN THE MOVIE ALSO USED IN CIVIL WAR
IN THE LETTERS ITS LIKE THIS stated * thus adding* remove the lock *DING US * US Steam Ship Enterprise found in the monte rey mex town with Zac Taylor battle of Bunea Vista
if after MEX WAR did they put ENTERPRISE BACK TO PASSEGER SHIP OR DID THEY TRANSPORT TREASURE IN IT AFTER THAT WAR?
ONLY SOME SPECULATION TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 20, 2006 9:09:18 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D TOMm, I can see that... It may well be possible that B.T. is a "combination cache" (AKA "SUPER-CACHE") of Blackbeard Beaufort Treasure, Mexican Treasury (ALSO lost; Robert E. Lee was ALSO in THAT War with Mexico)... CSA Treasury... Jesse James/Cole-Younger/Dalton Gangs "stuff"... DUNNO...
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Post by charlie mason on Sept 20, 2006 12:53:47 GMT -5
W : Rebel, then again it might be nothing more than a story by Edgar Allen Poe, that someone got their hands on and changed the war part from the second year of the Mexican war to the second year of the confederate war,(which no natural born southern gentle man would except blame for ) and call it the confederate war (since all die hard sons of the rose swear Lincoln started it by getting elected.) so Mr. rebel KC why do you think all that stuff been posted has anything to do with the Beale Puzzle. no offense but it sure seems everyone for the most part refuse to accept reason for the famous conspiracy theories that seem to surround this puzzle, SO ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS ..... MAYBE ALL IT IS ,IS A GAME PUZZLE ,CREATED TO WRACK YOUR MIND AND HAVE AN INTERESTING TIME WITH CHASING DOWN ALL THE RELEVANT FACTS THAT ARE RENDERED AS CLUES.. NOT WANTING TO STAR A BUGABOO FREE FOR ALL JUST MAKING NOISE.. HAVE A GOOD DAY BT CLODHOPPER
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Post by kydave on Sept 20, 2006 17:31:46 GMT -5
Seems the possibilities are endless. TJB doesn't want to go into detail so he says, then writes this big long letter telling it all, even the months of travel and the huge sums of gold and silver they were finding that wasn't even encrypted. If anyone had seen this letter they would have tortured Morriss to death assuming the key had already been mailed to him. Then on codebreaking, the answer could very well be in the letters or the story since everyone has been busting their brains all these years studying the numbers. The perfect plan to keep everyone looking in the wrong place for the answer. Then again Albert could very well have the only complete decipherment that will ever be found, treasure or no treasure. I keep an open mind on any idea since the man said "accident alone may reveal the key" and you guys know " the rest of the story". Evidently we're all still looking in the wrong place i guess, that is if any of the story is even true.
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Post by kydave on Sept 20, 2006 19:12:26 GMT -5
So now what?? Move on, Look To The East or keep on digging the hole deeper like the Oak Island Money Pit and doin brain PT? Most "newbies" think the key is hidden in the Bible. Have we been there and done that? Then there's the old decipher the first, translate the second and unscramble the third approach. Seems we've been doin the latter and not exactly in that order. Gotta be somebody out there that knows exactly what he is doing. Come on let's hear it! Ok made my noise like Charlie so who's next? No nonsense now we wanna hear the real Beale deal if there is one.
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Post by kydave on Sept 21, 2006 18:27:48 GMT -5
David, Sorry i woke you! ha! ha! Ever think of writing treasure stories for Lost Treasure Magazine? You would be good! I really expected to hear from Wildcard first...... ooops i mean Not An Option. Anyway while trying to absorb your first post and blocking out your second and hoping Tomn doesn't get any ideas from it, thought i'd post an article from Lost Treasure Magazine for anyone interested. Ok here goes: The Beale Papers Lost Legacy by Robert N. Williams. Seems Williams is selling a book on his 40 years of research and offering his opinion on Beales true identity. He brags of speaking at the Beale Cypher Study Symposium in Washington D.C. The cover price is only 8.95 cheap enough! The book is available at www.Amazon.com or by contacting the publisher, Vantage Press, Inc., at 419 Park Ave. S., New York, NY 10016, or telephone (212) 736-1767. May get one myself. Anyway i'm barely still hangin on to this treasure hunt but once addicted it's hard to leave alone. But i have managed to cut back to only a one hour "fix" per day. Hopefully by this time next year i won't think about Beale and all those numbers at all. Later
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Post by TOMm on Sept 22, 2006 3:38:12 GMT -5
Gentlemen
The statement about the Enterprise is in the letters like so
its written like this "the Enterprise we are engaged in" Enterprise is used twice once in letters and once iin morris,s discription of beal
and then in one of the letters its says "little mexican town"
The Steam ship(USS) Enterprise was comiisioned from a passenger(18!0) (1842/5) ship to a military ship 1847 for the mexican war The Battle of Bunea Vista its was docked in this little mexican port mo k MONTe REY 1847 maybe edgar poe I dont know if it was dingus or black beard but i do know it took 2 years (the time period that took most ships to make the round trip) 2 years was the time beal was suppose to be gone. The USS Enter prise was decommisioned back to Civilian passengers and what would it do in New Orleans?? to save wieght me thinks, its stated that they ex changed jewels maybe because the Ship had allowed only a limit on the wieght and that may be why the indians and spainish did not apprehend them, he mentioned a regular military organization and choose him as a Capitan, Maybe as in SHIPS Capitan and Just maybe thats why he used words like SURFACE of the ground to take thought off of WATER TRANSPORTATION ALSO THE NEW ORLEANS WAS A SHIP ,,aswell AS tHE saint louis HE ALSO MENTION THE GREAT WESTERN PLAINS maybe because of the Parrie SCHOONERS But plains keeps one thinking of land and maybe Key like the ones in FLA , he also used other navy words and they are HEADING and COURSE instead of direction andHANDS (all hands on deck) and pounds instead of troy ounces (12 pound BALL) and comfortable Quarters also bringing to LIGHT(*house) the papers, *SHIPPER *OF TOBBACCO, ALSO WAS the ARLINGTON a SHIP ALSO WAS THE USS COLE A SHIP then? aswell as the WITCH (nOT wITCHER) HOW ABOUT THE WORD *FRIENDSHIP* morris spoke of the uSS FRIEND? JACKSON was a Marine its stated that morris could be STERN once again a navy word the slieghtest BEARING and THe word space as in tight QuarteRS The word Below and AS WHALE AS(well) and much exposure to sun and weather and a word like MODEL, like ship in a bottle WAS THE LION a SHIP i dont know Was the box of iorn a Ship Like old IORN sides OR the uss DISCOVERY or the uss WASHINGTON or THE USS FRANKLIN as in hotel or USS RICHMOND THE words LINE or message LINE is a navy word The word Liberty is a navy word its also Dingus farm place The word PRIVATION IS A NAVY Word used 2 TIMES the word parties is a navy word (boarding parties) the word conception is a spanish ship (With This OBJECT IN VIEW CAPE May9 its a LIHGT /house Two words that morris used was light and house, the words ST THOMAS is a navy word and BEAL is an ILAND off the coast of FRANCE .also winter quaters is a navy term, advent of weather (used 2 times) weather is very important on the hi seas P A r t y LOOK at word HORSE as in SEA horse H O R S E S S using the same method there are more words words like island england beal etc etc the navy theam produces a lot of coinsidence i once found a huge boulder that was hewned into the shape of a ship and there was a message carved into a bouder near by about a hundred yards heres the initials of the message T D W S the ship rock is near the boundary line of WVA I DONT KNOW WHO MAYBEY THE GRAYS MAYBE ET. BUT I KNOW THAT USING THE NAVY THEAM WORKS AND JESSIE WAS IN PARIS BY BOAT SUNDANCE WAS IN PARIS AND ASO IN A LITTLE MEXICAN TOWN BY BOAT ALSO WHERE I FOUND THE STASH THE FEDS TOOK THIS WAS THE MESSAGE R H S or right hand side
Good Hunting
TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 22, 2006 11:42:36 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D We ALSO have to remember that there was a CSA Navy CAPT. BEALL, who was hung in the North, during the Civil War... being a PEST on one of the Great Lakes, or something... may wanna do an engine search for CSA NAVY - Capt. BEALL...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 22, 2006 16:28:46 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Drinking my "High-Test"... doing MORE "puter" research... looks like rain... a cold one... actually Beale, I was thinking of JOHN YATES BEALL, CSA Navy; he was "acting master" of the ship "Michigan", I think... it was on the BEALL Family web-site, I think...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 23, 2006 10:34:08 GMT -5
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Post by TOMm on Sept 23, 2006 20:36:29 GMT -5
Good evening
I would like to add something to my post about marine/naval words
and before i forget this place and in the letters its like ths QuaRters at your house I azour xxxxx I azure Iland or AZURE sea can you see it and i say that only to make one think HE SAID It AGAIN I remain as ever your frind both ti,mes you need to remove the Lock since lock is used what kind of locks are there ?? Well locks of hair morris gave a clue only by thouhgt hair worn longer than usual hair brings to mind barber as barber pirates or barbary coast Or Barber County WEST VA Another lock is a River Lock to raise the water for ships and barges I am 100% sure that the United States Steam Ship EnterPrise went thru th locks near PITTS PA numerous times since it was built 42 miles down river close to lock number seven ask the naval history if you need proof Thats 2 kinds of locks what other kind are there well there is Famous John Lock there are lock companies there is a naval lock lock ness scoot land there are locks on vault there are locks on secrets COL then theres the possibility that the word LOCK is a cypher word in an of its self CLOCK DOCK i think its a ship DOCTOR heres another couple of words in morris letter*a gallant band BOYUONT Spirits* is that naval * how about this morris letter *start the battle anew* battle ship how about the word Yoman its in beals letter * you (PLUS ) many* remove the lock U Y Look at the first time lock is used can you see the hidden word Keel Now look at the word key in the next sentence can you see the hidden word keel is that a deliberat spacing of off set type or is it a naval term lets see if you cansee this the words are MEWTNEE BARS BOAT HERES WHERE YOU FIND IT ......................THE RECEPTION OF THIS LETTER LFT SYD
FREEDOM OF EXCHANGE OF THOUGHT GURANTEED BY USS CONSTITUTION
HAPPY BOATING TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Sept 23, 2006 23:27:03 GMT -5
HELLO AGAIN I Thought i do some research on cival war ships and i found ss JOHN BELL (BEAL in scottish) a mr ward was found with contraban www.hazegray.org/danfs/steamers/ ToMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 24, 2006 14:47:42 GMT -5
Yo! Thanks for the "link" above... while you're at it, check under "m"... then "Michigan"...
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Post by TOMm on Sept 24, 2006 21:50:03 GMT -5
thanks but i did that a while a go But if you want to do somthing intesting try this scramble or i should unscramble the real meanining of remain as ever THe operative word REMAIN is MARINE asever CUTTER as in torpeado cutter
then youll find from that link THe LADIES the queen and the virginia thers abouta dozen VESSRELS THE NOT SO SMALL MEXICO CITY NOT TOWN THE GAME hint R R AND CR THE LYON BEAR AND OTHER GAME assistance of the INDIANS about 5/6 tribes Vessels what can be found EARLY IN MARCH daffodil and crocus if you read you find one department of treasury ship and one VESSEL LOADED WITH STONE IF YOU read closely you will find the meaning of 71 with two meanings and prove in morris letter also you can find COMMODORE MORRIS ONE VESSEL NOT LINED WITH STONE ONE VESSEL had 30 thousand of tabbaco one ship had a mister ward Mister is a navy term THINK OF THIS NEVER DID THE WORD MISTER APPEAR IN SUCH A PROPER AND POMPMT PLACE AS MORRIS HOTEL WHAT HAPPEN TP PROTCALL OR MANNERS SUCH AS Mr. BEAL BELL BEALE MISTER MARINE also one BIG SHOT sailor Hart now howd dem hart boys get that story IN THE BLUE RIDGE AND ANOTHER NAMED ward IMAGINE DAT and one vessel named the Great Western aslo Conestoga as in plains as in schooner COINCIDENCE MAYBE....NOT all this is in that link But the only thing i deduce is to go back to ship rock and look harrder WANTA GO? i am 100 percent Shore (shure) that these cypers are not read right to left if theY were then there would be no intrument to read them how a bout COMMODOR READ YOULL SEE HIM IN LINK
WE ARE NOT JUST MEE< ABOUT TO BUST THIS THING WIDE OPEN!! I SERIOSLY THINK THE SHIP ROCK HOLDS THE KEY I AM NOT SURE BUT I REMBER FINDING SOMTHING THERE AND I COULDNT FIGURE WHY IT WAS THERE AND NOW I THINK< I KNOW I DO NOW KNOW THAT NUMBER 2 IS A SAMPLE CYPHER IT MIGHT GO LIKE THIS SEPARATED 2 DEPOSITED COUNTY OF BEDFORD I H2-O DEEP IN THE BOUNT YO F REDRO RD (redrover) THE FIRST DEPPOSIT WAS *mer maid* THE ABOVE IS PURE CONJECTURE BUT ILL BET WERE CLOSE COMBINED WITH MY OTHER FINDING AT SHIP ROCK Until next time THANKS FOR MICHIGAN <INDIAN TRIBE< A VESSEL LINK TOMm
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