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Post by TOMm on Feb 3, 2007 1:17:41 GMT -5
hello gents
Thanks for all that good info
the code number two is untrue and only a sample cypher or Tweaked for profit by ward
the codes were comissioned to be published 110 years after the [glow=red,2,300]writing [/glow]of DOI 1775 / 1885 the DOI was published in 1776
Thomas J Beale Lived in Westmoreland county PA he was an off spring of bonopart *PART*
There Are 56 treasures to find in Beale treasure 13 major ones each is recorded in the cyphers as well as plenty opf money to start a new nation in cace the british ever won back what they lost
The one treasure is the Original Liberty Bell it might be near Philadelphia also on PA.
The one now, is sad to say not the real Bell (BEALE) Beal. BELLE
I think it might show up this summer if people keep up the quest of the beal treasures
every thing stated here in this post can be proven but in order to do that then other things come into play and I do believe poe works was partialy used
TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Feb 3, 2007 13:31:36 GMT -5
Hello Gents
And i agree that clarification on my last post need some credence
But if i do that then every treasure hunting person would be
enabled to get treasures with little work ill say this that the info i gave most assuredly is in the pamphlet its just how do you bring it about.
the letter states that every thing needed is there
i could not understand why they were called papers instead of letters such as paper number one and the British lost a lot from 1754 onward even some of there own born (under KG3rd) like George Washington and Braddock, forts and commerce etc and the new experiment was doubtful it would last and a lot of the men in power voted against a democracy but monies were put aside to in sure the wealth of the new world order
and as for the organization to carry out the commission was PYTHIAS
this treasure is so large altogether that any two men will never be able to obtain it all and its set up that way and part of it is not in this USA
you guys have great info and you are adept and astute in your history but think, if the stuff thats needed is in the pamphlet and most of it is except the library need be used then there must be a way or feature to bring it about because a man sworn to truth and secrecy wrote those codes(I said CODES)not letters, maybe not number two i am not sure about that in its entirety im sure its been adjusted
you can find Thomas Jefferson Beale bell belle in the Geno report of Green OR Westmoreland county PA
near Bealsville PA RIGHT ALONG SIDE OF ROBERT MORRIS NEAR MORRIS CROSS ROADS PA NEAR US70 WITH JOINT LAND OWNER George Washington that just might be Washington county also thats in the court house records and that cant be fabricated
maybe Robert morris college can give you some more info i think there near fort duquene i mean Pittsburgh PA
I leave this posting with this i dont have the key and i have not found the key But i have found the lock so the key cant be far in the future
WHaT Part Of WhAt State are u in ifn it b wesfergina we kn chaw a while and fecth a cople keeyprs theres ten hogs heads of pine tree cents to fetch i d think it take morin meean to liff em TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 4, 2007 8:32:59 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Yeah beale, I can help with that... ACCORDING to "old timers" VATS were used to soak cow hides/horse hides at the tannery (I know where THAT was...), to make LEATHER, to sell in the "early days"... IF Wright dug up a VAT... it could have been THAT... OR as reported in the copy of the News-Advance... the "BEALE TREASURE" (date unknown); I DO NOT know the FULL process of the Tannery Business... BUT! a WRIGHT somewhere is "rumoured" to have found the BEALE TREASURE... NOW! To follow up on that "clue"... IF the original site of the B.T. in the UPPER GOOSE CREEK VALLEY was discovered... IT could have moved ANYWHERE... SO! I just think it is a possiblity that it is in the general area of New Jerusalem, which is ONLY about 10 miles from MONETA...
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Post by TOMm on Feb 4, 2007 14:31:13 GMT -5
Hello Gents
Maybe the Uncle BELL story has a purpose in the realm of these
Codes BUT ,I can put Westmoreland bell in the company of Robert Morris land lord in same county
AND i dont expect you to believe that i have A lock. there Are 3 THREE locks, now how can i possibly know that ? the answers spend enough time and enough money and you can get anything accomplished
DO you remember the part about morris and something about reverses? well since we reversed engineered the lock. the lock comes before the key even when you USE it... not remove, as said in book a lock at any point of usage comes before the Key and congratulations on having a key now you only need six more (6) . BEALE BEAL BEAL BELL BELLE
TOMm
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Post by Legrand on Feb 4, 2007 15:16:52 GMT -5
David Mason Concerning your initial two posts: you are an adroit individual! I think your ratiocination is right up town! "Ed Poe is solution,"...at #480......brilliant! And yes, he is the solution to the Beale mystery through John William Sherman the novelist. Poe didn't write the story but his spirit dwells within the work. I call the Beale Paper pamphlet DOI the ORIGINAL DOI or ODOI, and yes, it is absolutely necessary to use the ODOI to decode B1 ! You identify the ODOI mistakes at #240/250 and at #480. Very good, but there are three(3) more mistakes early in the ODOI: word #111 in the ODOI is "their"; the correct word should be "these". In ODOI the word #155 is "a"; the proper and correct DOI does not have the word "a" there at #155. In the ODOI word #210 is "now" and in the proper and correct DOI the word is "more". This has everything to do with my decipherment of ERE FEN DUE REDKNEE; one must use the ODOI to decipher because the ODOI was used to encode !! The treasure that still likely remains hidden is a National Treasure set in place by Franklin, immortalized by Ralph Waldo Emerson, and reported on by Edgar Allan Poe. I know where it is. Philadelphia and untouchable as the location is a National Historical site. The cache is described in my book "Leaves of Lavendered Lily" in the essay "Steganograms Everywhere!": www.rosedogbookstore.com/leoflali.html1-800-834-1803 My ERE FEN DUE REDKNEE ties the Beale mystery to the Philadelphia treasure. As I said, it's a National Historical site and might as well be Fort Knox! The pursuit of this treasure will have to be done with integrity and professionalism and in due time. My next book will address why the Beale mystery is related to a Philadelphia National Treasure. A sword and coin contrivance lead me to a treasure....read my book "Leaves of Lavendered Lily". You'll enjoy the mystery. The new book manuscript is 85% complete.....should be ready by mid February. Let's find this treasure or the hollow cavity it was once stored in. Let's stay in touch David Mason.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 4, 2007 18:14:47 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D David, you made a VERY good... it was INNIS, who said it was "Jefferson"... TJB... hhhhhhhmmmmmmm... beale, MAYBE it was "JAMES".... Thomas JAMES Beale... LOTS of James families in Stewartsville, Va. area (SOUTHWEST Bedford County...) hhhhhhhmmmmmmmm... Jesse James... Frank James... Momma James, was a DALTON... boys (Jesse & Frank) visited kin in SOUTHWEST Bedford County... full of James families also... AND! According to the book, BEDFORD VILLAGES, LOST & FOUND, p. 253... "Legend has it that after the notorious Jesse James, a product of post war turbulance, and rage, was killed his brother came EAST and visited relatives in the area." What IF... FRANK JAMES decided to stay, move up the road to UPPER GOOSE CREEK VALLEY... was "BUCK" W. T. WRIGHT... (got pics of "BUCK" & FRANK JAMES... can do "point by point" comparsion), AND! MAYBE it was EVEN Thomas Jesse Beale/Beall, notorious Rebel/outlaw... TREASURE, that his brother & "Bear" Tolley (MAYBE another outlaw gang member...) were "watching over as SENTINELS...
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Post by elwoodchaney on Feb 4, 2007 20:32:44 GMT -5
Just out of curiosity... has anyone ever heard of, or read the writings of William Morris (1834 - 1896). Especially, his "The Dream of John B(e)all" Many 'MORRISS' ocieties were created in his honor.
And David... you realize of course, that:
in Box #1... there are 1323 words in the DoI that we were 'given.' But none of the ciphers are answered in that capacity.
you open Box #2, the next smaller box--- by... taking the words "mean(#519) + time(#520)"--- joining them so as to form the word "meantime"(... will come to you in time..) which gives you the proper 'alphabetical sequence' to answer C2 properly. And reducing the number quanity to 1322. C2 also gives you the procedure for the opening of the next box. A smaller, still more condensed version of what is necessary.
Now think about it. A smaller section, found within the DoI. Would you now continue with the numbers originally obtained for answering C2... or would you 're-number' the words from this smaller section? Using 'them' to solve C1 and C3.
So, ask yourself... "Do you want to play 'a game!'"
Elwood
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Post by elwoodchaney on Feb 4, 2007 20:57:37 GMT -5
Almost forgot! What you first find will not be correct. You will have to make a few corrections. Not of all, the last. The 'joining of the 2 sections, thusly:
example:
N o t t o b e d e l i v e r e d u n t i l J u n e D e c l a r a t i o no f I n d e p ende n c e *
F to the R: down to the I: up to the e;down to the n; up to the d
Elwood
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Post by TOMm on Feb 4, 2007 21:20:19 GMT -5
hello Dave Mason
I would like to show you the lock its better if its shown that way
seeing is believing but when i do that i knock my self out of the ring what are you going to do with the info you could use it for great gain and ;leave me scratching my head saying what happen!? The Info its self is worth a fortune . Honest there are multiple locks and keys an I don't know Le grand But he is right about most of what he says.
So give me a way to communicate with you
this is a true story I'm a bonfide treasure hunter and finder
So to make a long story short a fellow who was down and out came to me along while back he was down and out he ask me if i could help him out i said ill give you a break in life, i said I'm going to show you a treasure cave BUT you got to promise me never tell a living soul not even your wife he agreed , so i said ill pick pick you up at nine am when we got to the cave(vault) he didn't know but it was empty when i pulled the lid back i said don't tell a a soul not even your wife he agreed now remember i was giving this guy a break in life IF i could trust him so he went in to the vault and started yelling i see it i see it i thought did something get left behind he came out and said when can we take some home i said i pick you up early tomorrow morning . i went to pick him up and he wasn't there i ask his wife where he was and she said oh, he went up to that cave you guys were at yesterday i finally found him the next day and he went and called the Army saying that he knew i transfered the goods, and he just wanted enough to give him a start in life from them, when they found one man an treas, agent wanted to run a metal detector over my grounds and i said only if you get past the dog or have a warrant
so the thing of trust scares me be cause i lost one other treasure because of a friends promise of secrecy i guess great wealtrh make men think different than when they had to work for a living As for wealth makes,it me think how would yould like a break i know the path and thats out of the box; for most people think in the norm, as to how much more can i gather for myself ?? that guy has a lot he dosent need it and greed sets in
I said all that to say this with the info i have its very possible that Beale story will be put to rest this year AND IT CANT BE DONE ALONE , any suggestions
Thanks
TOMm
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Post by Legrand on Feb 5, 2007 14:18:10 GMT -5
David Mason Very good to speak with you on the phone the other night. Be it known that in your first post on this thread (above, towards the beginning, using Webster a lot), you are practicing what I have called "literary steganography" or a form of secret writing that stretches words out to their defined meaning and therefore creating a different sense or look to the (hidden) message. This process is taught to the reader in my book "Leaves of Lavendered Lily": www.rosedogbookstore.com/leoflali.html1-800-834-1803 Read it...... What you have found in using Webster's is brilliant in connecting the Beale Papers to a conspiracy (by government, of treasure) to the 13 States "gathered for some task, action, affair or plan." You and this idea have been added into my writing of the manuscript of the second book on the Beale Papers/National Treasure subject!! David, I believe the "to one old and valued friend" you elude to is none other than Benjamin Franklin for it is he who lodged the treasure (within a circle of others) in Philadelphia in 1761. The Beale Papers is an 1885 attempt to display this treasure hunt to the nation. It has failed for about 120 some years until now. We are, indeed, climbing the same tree!! You know, that sword I spoke of, it belonged to Benjamin Franklin....What items were secreted away??? I stay in touch. Legrand
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Post by legrand on Feb 6, 2007 13:33:29 GMT -5
David Mason
Thank-you for all you've contributed. I acknowledge your permission to proceed. You'll like what I wrote.
Glad we're clear on the ORIGINAL DOI issue. I call pamphlet DOI the ORIGINAL DOI because it was what was used by the creator of the Beale story. As we agreed, the ORIGINAL DOI (or ODOI) is absolutely necessary to use to decode B1. The ODOI is not the one written by the founding fathers.
Concerning 1761 embedded treasure. If you knew today all that I do now, you would think differently.....trust me.
Tomm is an interesting poster; glad to have him in our camp.
Your above post #17 to Elwood where you write: "next if we want to play a game....the 317 reversed, (reversals come unexpectedly) is 713 or July 13th, 194th day of the year. 194 is the second cipher number in B1." ...you are brilliant, again! My ERE FEN DUE REDKNEE decipherment was encoded backwards! See and read carefully my thread "Cryptogram B1 Possible Solution".....it's worth the candle!
Yes, "the shot heard round the world" will prove to be very exciting in the near future....very appropriate indeed and part of this puzzle! Very adroit as I said earlier, you are.
"Von Kemplelen And His Discovery". I've read it and felt I was reading about myself, right down to the blue eyes and "some defect in one of his teeth". Amazing! I see the similarity to the Beale Papers story. I am a Von Kempelen, there will be a discovery, .....soon. Funny how Poe described the "chips" of gold as if broken slabs of precious metal. This is significant.
I so wish I could divulge to you more information about Beale/Poe/Emerson/National Treasure connexion, but I just can't right now. We're on the right road though.....are you ready for Von Kempelen's big discovery? I'll certainly need a confidant and perhaps an agent?
X
May want to read Poe's last tale (May 12, 1849)
"X-ing a Paragrab"
I'll stay in touch.
Legrand
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Post by legrand on Feb 7, 2007 14:36:56 GMT -5
David Mason
X-ing a Paragrab....
Observations.....
First paragraph.....
"Mr. B. from the east, an editor" "foible, forte, strong point, his virtue, [none other than the sword]" "frogpondium and the woods"
This is a spoof and a ridicule of Ralph Waldo Emerson and his sword?
Sorry I missed your call, David. Please try again tomarrow. What are your thoughts to date?
Forxevermore,
Legrand (or Mr. Von Kempbullhead)
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Post by TOMm on Feb 7, 2007 16:45:51 GMT -5
hello one & awl (all) the reason for this post is that i finally can show that hes codes are in 3-Demension if you will go over to the wikipedia site beale ciphers get a magnifying glas a real good one like the kind for stamp collecting turn down or offf your contrast on you monitor turn down the brightness on you monitor till you just have a little bit of light showing on the monitor click on "The Story" scroll down to the three sqares *3/4 of * DO NOT ENLARGE THE LETTERS (codes) once at the site look at letter two (2) first Use Mag Glass on Left Side SEE THE NUMBER 371 SEE A Dark SQUARE * bring to Light All thats Dark in them* KEEP INSPECTING AND YOU WLL SEE OTHER NUMBERS PLUS IF YOU DONT SEE THEM YOUR CONTRAST OR BRIGHTNESS IS NOT SET CORRECTLY OR YOU NEED A BETTER MAGNIFYING GLASS wikipedia.org/wiki/Beale_cyphers Responses; Good; Bad; Indifferent; Or, Other Wise., Welcomed. TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Feb 7, 2007 17:03:59 GMT -5
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Post by TOMm on Feb 19, 2007 18:39:41 GMT -5
Good after Noon Gents;
here is my latest decypherment (partial) or understanding
KEEP in mind that nobody or at least not many is 100% Sure
as to whom wrote the letters ............
this the basic understanding that i unscrambled
T J B was all that was ever used as a signature ? ? ?
Morris said that Beale was TJs last Name
So all that was said to say this
T J Beale Is deposited in the county six feet below
the vault is lined with Bones On Top oF Bones
OK gang you can find that in de-ciphering the Para graFT <<<
where it states that his hair was worn longer than and his skin was tan or or like leather from the sun or weather "thats not exact wording" written by supposedly Robert morris
But theres more than TJB's bones buried and that may be why hes been hard to find a gene O report theres coins also in the same hole i believe he had a twin thats where the word about giving a share to the other half comes into play You will You Will >>>you William ... idle punctilio you William will doubtless be sued *Surprised* when you [name]>>> (Pierre) discover THE
And thats why the Esquire (ATTORNEY) part may or may not come into play I was wondering did morris have a bank rupcy reg ist erd and if he did was he acting in his on behalf since he had some reverses in finances and was an attorney and his where it gets wild since he was in shipping was he a pirate as it was legal in some states in his era especially GUV Morris Time in history it was fashonable i don't believe its a normal grave but it dose have a un- common marker carved in a boulder
this is just pieced together it maybe totally incorrect BUT ,
IT IS DARN CLOSE! for tat section of code
TOMm
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