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Post by Rebel KGC on Dec 3, 2007 16:29:24 GMT -5
Yo! ;D BRRRRR!!! Doing research, inside... with LOTS of "High-Test" ;D ... NOW, it looks like the Beale story is based on Thom. Jefferson's "planned" expeditions; and beale was correct to "pin-point" Z. Pike's expedition "in those years". I have found out about the FREEMAN (Thomas) - CUSTIS (Peter) EXPEDITION of 1806 www.lewis-clark.org/content/content-channel.asp?ChannellD=135 and THE LONG (Stephen) EXPEDITION OF 1819 - 1820. The Adams-Onis Treaty DID "separate" Louisana from Spain; Spain owned the American SW & Mexico at the time, and was WEALTHY! The MEDICINE ROCK "story" www.lewis-clark.org/content/content-article.asp?ArticlelD=801 indicates THAT story. IF, the Beale Story is based on THE LONG EXPEDITION of 1819 -1820... and "they" stole the "WEALTH" from SPAIN... "Beale" & Companions MAY have been hunted down and killed in the desert by PO'ed SPANISH... is "Spanish Treasure" buried in the hills? MORE research to come...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Dec 3, 2007 16:45:16 GMT -5
HA!!! Those "addys" didn't work... just "google"... FREEMAN-CUSTIS EXPEDITION OF 1806 LONG EXPEDITION OF 1819 -1820 MEDICINE ROCK OF AMERICAN SOUTHWEST
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Post by beale on Dec 3, 2007 17:27:33 GMT -5
rebel,
You are so right on the expeditions. I have read them all and all the trapper and scout reports of that era. The Freeman-Curtis Expedition were to go through Texas and up the Red River. They were captured and turned back by the Spanish. Lt. Pike and his expedition were captured intentional by the party. Pike brought out all the reconnaissance maps on the Spanish------------were their troops and forts were located ----as well as their gold and silver mines and their depositories.
I have said all along there were other expeditions to the southwest by Adams and Jefferson as well as a small involvement by Madison and Monroe. Adams and Jefferson were the most fierce of enemies after Adams was elected as the Second President of the US. They only became friends again because of an embargo and shipments from the Colonies to England. Adams home state was the only state that could ship to England. Therefore Virginia, the Colonies as well as Thomas Jefferson needed Adams.
Lt. Pikes journals were published in 1810, yet when the Ambassador for Spain to the US asked Thomas Jefferson by letter in 1813 had the journals been published and were the stolen Spanish Maps in them, Jefferson replied that he did not know the journals had been published. I believe that to be somewhere around page 1280 of Jefferson's writings. As history has been now layed out, we know that Jefferson lied to the Ambassador.
The treasure brought back by the Beale Party or expedition was intended for the most part for Adams and Jefferson. That is why Jefferson died almost broke. I also strongly believe that four of our first five Presidents were assassinated, especially the three Presidents that died on July 4th, Adams and Jefferson on July 4th, 1826 and Monroe died five years later on July 4th, 1831, Madison himself died a few days before July 4th and was buried on July 4th. So as you can see if there are any documents with the Beale Treasure they will be extremely important to verify any of this. I even contacted members of Congress to open up a Congressional Hearing on this subject but I was told I need hard evidence. That is what the Beale Treasure means to me------hard evidence and that is why I seek it and I know that is why the US Government wants this treasure also. It is not only for the silver, gold and jewelry.
Sorry got carried away again. Rebel stay warm, talk to you later.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Dec 3, 2007 19:00:22 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Dec 4, 2007 16:49:16 GMT -5
President Thomas Jefferson had a log cabin across the road from the Peaks of Otter Lodge. They are getting ready to drain the lake between the Peaks Lodge and the highway, wonder what will be found there. Anyone made any bids to search the lake floor? I remember someone once said they decyphered the codes and it said a cache of Revolutionary War guns were under the lake? The road then continued around the mountain west to near Apple Orchard overlook and down the mountain to Wheat Valley from there to Big Island and on to Poplar Forest. Maybe that is a trail needing checking out?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Dec 4, 2007 18:47:07 GMT -5
Yo! ;D The "Feds" are gonna drain Abbot Lake (man-made, anyway...) to upgrade the dam, next to Polly's Ordinary ("waterhole" for travellers & horses, back then... MAYBE, just an "overnighter" kind of places... can't remember); I DO know that P.V. wrote a book about it (Peaks of Otter), and that that lake used to be a village called Mons; and the Mons Valley (as it was then known...) was ALSO an "Indian" village, etc. Don't remember any legends of Beale Treasure being up there, tho, there IS a legend of SOMEONE meeting Pancho Villa (Mexican "bad guy") at Sharp Top... he was looking down into the "valley" from Sharp Top, crying... tearing out "pages" from a book or something. Near the Peaks was Apple Valley, where the Wright families lived, that became VERY wealthy, AND! Charlemont community of BRITS above THAT community BELOW No Business Mountain, where it was rumored that the Beale Treasure was buried under the Lion's Head... you knew about a SHEEP HEAD "rock formation"... SO! The "mystery" goes on...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Dec 4, 2007 21:08:52 GMT -5
;D Back to the South West Expedition... reviewing P.V.'s book, THE BEALE TREASURE, NEW HISTORY OF A MYSTERY... Chapt. 6, "The Spanish West", alludes to the conflict between Spain & America, over the "boundaries" & the Louisiana Territory/Purchase and DID NOT mention the S. Long Expedition of 1819 - 1820. THAT expedition was "unsuccessful" because I think they were "turned back" by the Spanish Troopers (kept from crossing the river from the American side to the Spanish side...), and there is even a map showing the "U" turn made, by the Long Expedition. SO! THAT chapter in history is closed... we ALMOST had a war with Spain back then... (after the BRITS in 1812 - 1814?!?)... HA!
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