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Post by Rockhound on Feb 5, 2004 10:39:19 GMT -5
I seem to recall some argument as to the correct name referred to with the initial "J" in the name "Thomas J. Beale" AsI recall, some thought that the "J" stood for "Jefferson" and others disagreed! Can anyone explain the situation? Does anyone know what the "J" stood for (if not "Jefferson")? Does anyone know how the misunderstanding (if there was one) came about? Your thoughts please.
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JAKE THE CRYPTOGRAPHER
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Post by JAKE THE CRYPTOGRAPHER on Feb 5, 2004 19:06:55 GMT -5
GORDON:
TRIED 4 DIFFERENT TIMES TO POST A "FAREWELL" MESSAGE & SOME OTER INFO--- EACH TIME WHEN I TRIED TO POST; GOT WIPED OUT --WILL TRY ONCE MORE TOMORROW 2-6-04; IF YOU LET ME KNOW WHY I WASN'T ABLE TO POST. AFTER TOMORROW WILL NO LONGER HAVE MY WEB SITE AVAILABLE OR ANYTHING ELSE!! FOR THAT MATTER THE BEALE SAGA IS ESSENTIALLY OVER----EVIDENTLY MY BOOK HAS CONVINCED ALL "HOPEFULL SOLVERS/ LOOKERS" THAT THE ENIGMA IS ALREADY SOLVED.......& THE CODES DECIPHERED TO ENGLISH JAKE THE CRYPTOGRAPHER
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Post by smd173 on Feb 6, 2004 8:09:49 GMT -5
Rockhound, The dispute about the J being Jefferson was raised by me and it's origins are simple.
Nowhere in the Beale Papers does it ever refer to Thomas Beale as Thomas Jefferson Beale. He is always referred to as Thomas J. Beale. And the letters are always signed T.J.B.
It was apparently the Hart Papers that were the first to label him as Thomas Jefferson Beale. And there are certain websites that have posted Beale's letter by showing that he signed it Thos. Jeff. Beale. But that would be incorrect.
Whether the Hart Brothers are right depends on how much you wish to believe them and their research.
Frankly I don't think what his middle name was matters much.
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Post by WILD CARD on Feb 8, 2004 10:45:44 GMT -5
Man! you guys are something else!!! Don't you see that you guys have been 'led around' like you 'had rings in your noses!!!' You just "CAN'T" believe everything you read in the Beale story(or into it!) like it's GOSPEL!!! Because its not. Its a 'fabrication'... a story--- to conceal!
I hate having to do this, because I promised myself, that I wouldn't 'post' anything ever again... not that I don't like you guys, because I do... but you guys don't take me serious when I do. And "that's the wrong thing to do!!!"
SO!!!!!... for your information... the "J" is for "JEHEW"
As for 'why'... I just don't want to tell you!!!
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Post by WILD CARD on Feb 8, 2004 11:44:58 GMT -5
Hey! "JOKE" the (alledged) Cryptographer... this is for "YOU", ba-by! "Pf-h-h-t-t-t-t"!!! (a raspberry--- fresh from West Virginia)
You say your website is 'shutting down'.... well, good!!! Too much clutter in that section anyhow. Now you have time to learn to 'etch-a-sketch' or something. And you think the Beale mystery is essentially over... and your 'book' (if it can be rated as such) has convinced "all hopeful solvers/lookers" that the mystery is all ready solved!!! "W-R-O-O-O-G-G!!!" "H-O-O---WAH!" This thing is 'FAR FROM OVER!'
Take a moment to look-up from your crystal-ball... I want to ask you, seriously.... Just what do you think you have found? Was it the procedure for the 'real' decipherment of the alledged #2 cipher message? NO! you didn't. I did. Did you find the 'template?' NO! I did. Did you discover the name of the author that created this mystery? NO! I did. Did you discover whose 'description' was used to give the Beale characterization... an identity? NO! I did. Amongst so many other things.
So, tell me... just what have you done?
Good thing you're giving up now. It'll give you time to hide before all the people you sold books to(if any), come lookin' for 'ya and want their money back.
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Post by Steven on Feb 9, 2004 1:02:48 GMT -5
WOW.........AND I THOUGHT CHICAGO WAS WINDY!Take it easy with those raspberries Wild Card......the wind might blow across the MASON/Dixon line. Steven
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 15, 2005 10:27:15 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: The "J" is for JEFF... read da Hart Papers... pay attention to what da Harts have to say... and da other one... I THINK Beale was actually another name for Col. Jesse James; AND members of his "gang" at that time (1865) were members of the Fincastle, Va. Masonic Lodge... I THINK Beale was a 32 Degree Scottish Rite Mason... AND those guys were KGC... why so many sites in Bedford? Many caches... da Beale is da Super-Cache! Long live da KGC!
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Post by smd173 on Jan 16, 2005 12:02:46 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: The "J" is for JEFF... read da Hart Papers... That's funny, cause when I read the Hart Papers there was also a story in there about how they went to a psychic. Should we believe that too? The only thing the Hart Papers are good for is showing how the numbering in the translation of Cipher 2 got messed up.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 16, 2005 15:51:19 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Lawd Gawd A'Mighty! Smd173, da "psychic thing" (if it happened at all)... was the first use of REMOTE VIEWING! A very good use of "Arm Chair Treasure Hunting"... then ya gotta go it! Ha! Ha! Ha! Try it... umight LIKE it! Long live da KGC!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Mar 1, 2005 9:51:27 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: LOTS of new "white stuff" out there NEWS FLASH... This just in... Remote Viewer Rebel just back... Beale Treasure story is a HOAX! MOOT POINT! MOOT POINT! Just a "cover story"...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 14, 2005 7:20:17 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D 4/14/05... Out Treasure hunting? OR... What say ye all?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jul 13, 2012 10:05:52 GMT -5
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Post by TOMm on Jul 13, 2012 21:22:53 GMT -5
HI gents
the topic of t J b
let me first say i dont expect any body to believe me but at least stay open minded for the possibilities i post about
the first time the name and the initial 'J' WAS USED WAS WHEN MORRISS (2s) SAID and i quote "SUCH A MAN WAS THOMAS J BEALE" Such a man was Thomas J. Beale, as he appeared in 1820,,, WHEN IN THE COURSE OF HUMAN EVENTS (from the DOI) WELL HOW DID IT OR THE THING (Beale) APPEAR IN 1819, 1821 ,1822 LET ME ASSURE YOU THAT THE NAME OF BEALE IN THESE CODES IS NOT A TRUE NAME OF THE PERSON, THAT MORRISS (2s) WOULD HAVE YOU BELIEVE existed AND TO ADD MORE ICING TO THE CAKE NEITHER WAS THE NAME OF HOTEL Keeper the true REAL Name of said MORRISS (2s)
i do know that there is Plural treasures involved BUT Stopping at Buford's, where we remained for a month, under pretense of hunting etc. we visited the cave, and found it unfit for our purpose. It was too frequently visited by the neighboring farmers, who used it as a receptacle for their sweet potatoes and other vegetables. We soon selected a better place, and to this the treasure was safely transferred.
1. THEY REMOVED IT FROM THE BUFORD AREA THIS LETTER WAS GIVEN AFTER THE FIRST LETTER TALKS ABOUT A CODE AND A KEY THERE FORE SINCE 19 MEN CAME WITH BEALE 19 CAME TO BUFORD'S The end of the journey +1O STAYED at mine = 29 PLUS 1 leader =30 BEALE WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO TELL MORRISS (2s)
if 19 men knew where the treasures were buried and what if the 19 knew what the key was?
when all but ten would return, these latter to remain with me to the end of the journey. All was carried out as arranged, and I arrived safely with my charge
2. i am real sure these men were not miners as their primary source of acquiring gold and silver and that Morris's (2s) was one of the 20 at the hotel and his wife was using an alias name as well.
and i agree with a lot that wild card post
Later TOMm
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