ravens3rd
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Post by ravens3rd on Jul 15, 2004 11:15:51 GMT -5
Would the person posting as tjb who states he has solid evidence of TJB going west share with us some of that evidence or where to find such information that can be followed up on and made public.
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Post by tjb on Jul 17, 2004 20:39:26 GMT -5
I have been rather busy. And I will be for the next couple of weeks. I will find my research with dates and where this information can be found. There is a lot more out there. I could find it, if I had more time. Maybe one of the readers here will follow up on my research and get lucky. Look for my post as soon as I find the research and I can get free time to post it on this great web site, thanks rockhound. ravens3 I will respond as soon as possible.
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Post by Rockhound on Jul 18, 2004 14:06:44 GMT -5
You're very welcome Albert, and thank you for the compliment. Good to have you on board (no pun intended!)
Rockhound.
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Post by tjb on Jul 29, 2004 20:21:53 GMT -5
Ravens3rd,
Back about twenty years ago, I obtained the St. Louis and Franklin Missouri newspapers on microfilm. Today, I don't believe they can be obtained by inter-library loans. I may be wrong. This is the best place to start researching about Thomas Beall or Thomas J. Beall.
In the St. Louis newspaper of 1815, there is a letter waiting for Thomas J. Beall. Coincidence, maybe. There was also a Thomas Beale fighting along side Andrew Jackson in New Orleans, Louisiana at that same time in history. So, I said maybe this is my man. But, then again it may not have been, as that letter could have went South to New Orleans or West towards Franklin, Missouri.
So, I continued my search with the Franklin Intelligenser newspapers. In a copy, dated April lst, 1820 is a letter for Thomas Beall. It was made out for March 31st, 1820. On page 9 of the Job Print Pamphlet, you will find on lines four and five, "about the latter end of the followering March, when he left,...." Now if Thomas Beall left Lynchburg at the end of March, 1820, he would have arrived in Franklin, Missouri sometimes in mid-May or at the latter end of May.
The very next list of letters appeared in the Franklin Intelligenser newspaper on June 30, 1820. There is no longer a letter for Thomas Beall. Meaning, Thomas Beall had passed through Franklin, Missouri between March 31st and June 30. This is solid evidence enough to convince me that Thomas Beall existed and did go West to the Sante Fe, New Mexico area. So, my friend ravens3rd, the Beale Treasure Mystery is as TRUE as a story as it can be. So, now where is the treasure?
This Thomas Beall had to be going West or coming back from the West as Franklin, Missouri is 151 miles West of St. Louis, Missouri. This Thomas Beall can not be confused with the Thomas Beale from Fincastle, Virginia that fought in the Battle of New Orleans as Captain of the Beale Rifles. I have his service record. No this Thomas J. Beall was born in Harpers Ferry, Virginia (West Virginia) He was removed as a child to Washington, Pennsylvania. This is where his roots is and this where more information can be found about him.
The Cumberland Highway passed through Washington, Pennsylvania on it's way from Cumberland, Maryland; all the way to St. Louis, Missouri. A good area to hear of tall tales from wayfarers going and coming from the Western Territory.
Thomas Beall first went West in 1815, at the young age of 23. He was a member of Pierre Chaeote and Jules DeMunn's trading expedition with the Indians. They traded with the Indians on Grand Camp Creek, south of Denver, Colorado. They were arrested by the Spanish regime and were later released. This may have been the reason Thomas Beall was welcomed by the Spanish at a later date in time.
There are several other twist of Thomas J. Beall going West that I have to check into when I can find the records.
There were mercenaries fighting alongside the Mexicans in their uprising against the Spainish. Almost the entire Third Division of the Mexican Army was American citizens fighting for Mexico's freedom. There were 27,222 Americans in this one division. They were soundly whipped at the Battle of Midon, Mexico. Why is it, all the History Books prints is the 187 men that held the Spanish Mission called the Alamo. What happened to these Americans that were fighting in what was called the "Patriot Army." The army was funded by a Philadelphia junta that was directly under orders from President James Monroe. Dr. John Robertson that traveled West with LT. Zabulon Montgomery Pike was in reality himself, a General in the Patriot Army; answering only to President James Monroe, himself. Dr. Robertson went all over Pennsylvania, Ohio, Indiana and several other states obtaining these volunteers. For that was what they were volunteers. Should the Mexicans be victorious against the Spainish all of these volunteers were guaranteed enormous land grants in the SouthWest. Anyone care to search the land records to see to whom the largest portions of this land was deeded to.
I know you all have heard it before, but here it is again. I hope to one day publish a book on these dark pages of our countries history. It involves Aaron Burr, Alexander Hamilton, Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, James Monroe, James Madison, General Wilkerson (he was a double agent for the Spanish and the Amercicans. There is a lot of other "Patriot Army" treasures or caches out there and I believe the Beale Treasure to be one of them. We will see. Sorry about getting to windy on this message ravens3rd, I know you were looking for facts and dated material, but this is the best I can do at the present. I have so much research, I simply can't find it in time to respond to you appropriately. But, when I find any of it, I will post it for all to see. I hope this information helps. At least it will get others thinking and going in the right direction.
One other thought, Thomas Jefferson and John Adams both died within two hours of each other on July 4th, 1826. Five years later, James Monroe died on July 4th, 1831. Five years later, James Madison was buried on July 4th. All of these men had something to do with the Mexicans throwing the Spanish out of the Southwest. I believe James Madison was Secretary of War under President James Monroe. I may be wrong about this, but it should be checked into don't you think. I tried to get my congressmen to have a Congressinal Hearing into the possible assassination of three maybe four of our first five Presidents, but they told me they needed solid evidence for such a hearing. What do you think?
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Post by tjb on Jul 29, 2004 20:34:50 GMT -5
One more thought about the letter of March 31st, 1820. Pauline and Walter Innis spent considerable amount of time in St. Louis trying to find this letter. They hoped it contained the "KEY". Sorry, Pauline the code wasn't made until the Winter of 1821 or the Spring of 1822. This letter would not have contained the long sought after "KEY." It most likely was a letter from Dr. John Robertson to Thomas J. Beall. Or the President, himself.
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Post by Nick Nicolle on Aug 5, 2004 18:20:09 GMT -5
Can't understand why a letter addressed to and awaiting pickup by a Thomas Beale in St. Louis would have any significance vis-a-vis the Beale Papers. The letter supposedly containing the key to the codes, which Beale said would be forthcoming from St. Louis in June 1832, would have been addressed to Robert Morriss in Lynchburg. Surely, if one were to conduct an inquiry about lost letters at St. Louis, and none were found to be addressed to Morriss, the next logical step would be to start checking in Lynchburg. Nick
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Post by tjb on Aug 5, 2004 18:35:47 GMT -5
Nick,
For some reason or the other, the letter was never received by Robert Morriss. So, one must assume that the letter could have been either in St. Louis or Lynchburg. The mail was carried by individuals whom just happened to be passing that way. Something could have happened to the person delivering the letter along it's route. But, I wasn't referring to this coded letter in particular, I was saying that on March 31st, 1820, Thomas Beale had a letter waiting and addressed to him in Franklin, Missouri. Over 150 miles up the Missouri River-----this proves that a Thomas Beale was out West somewhere. Then, on June 30th, 1820, this letter is no longer at Franklin, Missouri. This proves that within that ninety days, Thomas Beale passed through and picked that letter up.
Robert Morriss said Beale and his party left his hotel at the latter end of March, they would have arrived in Franklin, Missouri, mid-May or at the latter end of the month of May. This to me proves the entire Beale Mystery as the truth.
Given enough time even history itself is altered or reworded, that is what happened to the Beale Treasure, the author had too much time, needed money and could not solve the cypher codes, so he altered it to suit himself. That is the reason for the DOI and all of the altered mistakes made, these were made by the author trying to make money off of a mystery, he could not solve. But, looking beyond all of this, we can still solve the mystery.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 21, 2005 15:44:43 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: I really, really think tjb oughta write that book... maybe one of u could "ghost-write" with tjb... it is 1/2005... and surely would like to clear this up soon... this Bedford County's 250 years in existence... sure be a nice "finish" to the year... Long live da KGC!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Aug 28, 2008 8:41:01 GMT -5
;D 8/28/08... AND! He DID... ;D
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