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Post by David Mason on Sept 4, 2006 13:27:45 GMT -5
NOT AN OPTION.....
The gentleman who posts as Beale has posted what he feels is a solution, whether it is right or whether it is wrong still remains to be seen, what is material... is... he has posted this information for you, for me and the world to look at. It is obvious from his posts that he has done extensive reseach into The Beale Mystery and from his most recent post he makes no bones about sharing this information. He states he is endeavoring to write a book about his discoveries. What are you doing?
Mocking someone because you disagree........ Is that in keeping with the spirit of this forum? .......sharing of information. Instead of berating, why don't you do what you say you can do and decode the ciphers to make them say what you want them to say and then post it on this forum.....for us to look at. Then you will have made your point for others to judge.
I tried a system very simular to Beales some time back, I got results the same way he did, a portion of those results are posted on this forum somewhere....as with Alberts, rather they are right or wrong remains to be seen, but they are posted for others to see.
A friend of mine who recently passed away wrote a book, in it he claims a solution and it is connected to Jean Lafitte, I helped him in someways with information I gathered while looking into the Beale Mystery....Is the solution he gives in his book the correct one....Mel believed to his dying day that it was, yet I did not and told him so a hundred times, (in private) but mock him I never did, because rather his solution is right or wrong still remains to be seen. It works the way he said it did....and as such is just one more step in finding the correct solution(s). If you find things that have been done by others and you find it doesn't work for you, then that is one more step in your seach that can be eliminated as the way to go.
It is my belief that The Beale Papers are only a game, not a hoax mind you, but a game. I believe they are a literary game and I believe they were written well before 1883-1885.
Crital analysis of The Beale Papers, The Hart Papers and other publications that brought this mystery to the forefront will demonstate......JB Ward did not write the papers, but he did publish them, Hazlewood never had the originals in his possession and did not write them, the Innis' who started this quest did not have the originals nor copies of the originals. History shows that the adventures of Beale as written in the pamphlet could not have happened.....so on and so on.........so there must be another explanation other than a real lost Beale Treasure. After a lot avenues are looked at....you will keep coming back to the word HOAX....and that word may fit if you are looking for gold, silver or jewels....but again I will say, it's a game or a puzzle, a challange by the author, whom ever he may have been and the answer is hidden some where in The Beale Papers.
Rebel.... I live in Arkansas.....I spent some time in Va. looking into possibilities, I visited the site of the real Bufords Tavern, not the crumbling chimney...Took pictures and talked to people. Visited with PV and discussed possibilities. Went up to the George Marshall Museum and looked at the original documents talked about. Went and got a copy of the original Hart Papers. Looked into Newpaper archives, (maybe not as extensive as you and Albert, but I looked.) I have read and re-read Gold in the Blue Ridge...I have compared the Hart Codes to PV's photocopied pamphlet codes and found Innis's codes were copied from the pamphlet ( and can prove it) as for the scrap of paper purportedly from the iron box..OH WELL!
I hope Albert gets his book wrote, I'll procure a copy. From his postings it must contain a great amount of reseach and reseach is always worth the price. Not an Option said it all........Knowing is half the battle.....The other half is the ability to use that Knowing.
Well Dang it Not an Option, Ise dun used up my space ritting this stuff to them folks smarter than usun. Got much mor to say but aint got the time rite now.
Mo later on....gotta get me some of them greens before the kids et it all.
ANYBODY KNOW WHAT THIS SECURITY CHECK CRAP IS ALL ABOUT?
DM
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 4, 2006 14:05:13 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Thanks, Mr. Mason... U have been good to share on the forum for FAR longer than I... and I do appreciate u letting us know, about your friend, also... hope to get a copy of his book, soon. In terms of the SECURITY CHECK... rekken Rockhound has access to info that we do not... it DOES remind of Va. car liscense plate numbers, our inmates in Va. prisons once did... HA! (must be working for Rockhound now, dunno... ); ANYWAY... the more "solutions/possibilities" we can come up with... the greater chance of SOLVING THIS THING! I intend to check on family names at the Bedford Genealogy Fair on Sept. 9th... will keep U all "posted"...
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Post by kydave on Sept 5, 2006 11:19:36 GMT -5
Haven't you guys deciphered Not An Option's posts yet? Ha! Wildcard's back! Good to see you involved again ol' buddy! Punctuation gave you away!
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Post by Not An Option on Sept 5, 2006 22:09:55 GMT -5
Nopers. I'd say something like "Good guess, though" but I'm not a ghost of messageboards past or someone with an axe to grind a la 'this is my interpretation, it must be right'. I'm actually someone new. No idea what you mean by punctuation either. Not An Option.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 6, 2006 7:04:21 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Didn't think it was Mr. Cheney... anyway, NAO tell us what U see as a "solution", thereby finding the B.T.; if U R new, this forum is for "sharing"... NOT mocking, hazing, harassing, etc.; we WILL ask Rockhound to BAN you, if necessary; so be nice... STAND DOWN... and enjoy the info to come...
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Post by elwoodchaney on Sept 6, 2006 21:58:56 GMT -5
Well, Well, Well...
Spoke to Charlie Mason this evening. It has been a while. He informed me that 'you gentlemen' thought that I was 'posting' on here recently, as someone else. So, at his "insistence" to do this... I'll tell you quite bluntly: IT WASN'T ME!!! I have no need to sign in as 'a guest' because I am a member. I do not use these 'funny names' anymore to conceal my identity. My name only! I told you guys that, years ago, and have held true to it. MY NAME ONLY!!! To those of you who were deceived by this other person... I'm sorry. But again, I reiterate... ITS NOT ME!
Charlie also wanted me to tell "Rebel" that his postings "were like watching 40 Scottsmen in kilts doing hand-stands" or watching paint dry!!! But this... as I told him, I really didn't think I would do.
It has been quite a while since I have posted anything, or even visited this site. This is a practice I see no need to change.
I tried for years to give you guys the "truth" as I found it so as to solve this mystery... "always" backed-up by "varifiable evidence." But finding it rebuked, as I usually did by those of you who will believe anything of a less than reputable source... I stopped. And will continue to do so. But that is "your loss".... oh! the things I could show and explain to you guys.
Now that David and Charlie Mason are posting again... you all can go after them, and not me.
Elwood CHANEY... not Mr Cheney
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Post by ToMm on Sept 6, 2006 23:43:17 GMT -5
i would like to add if i may the vault is lined with stone well the front of it is but the inside is line with green and brown ceramic tlies about one inch tall and three inches long the kind that you put in a kiln/furnace or like ward stated seated by the fire -PLACE- *jorneying this place* on the backs of those tile or at least some of them is a secret i have a few from one of the vaults you need to do a pencil *tracing * TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 8, 2006 18:52:56 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D WHERE?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 10, 2006 16:11:08 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Beale, going to Bedford Library on Tuesday (12th)... will find book and make copy of title page, page on "Buck"... and "slow-mail" it to U... then U can get book "inter-library loan"... will start a new "thread" on the Buck Wright connection... and Botetourt/Bedford County Line (upper Goose Creek Valley...) (Singing... "I walk da LINE" - Johnny CASH... ;D
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Post by ToMm on Sept 11, 2006 1:56:18 GMT -5
I ll be glad to take you
1 Are a you a fed or do you work for any kind of agency ? 2 are you 100% honest can you give reference ?
3 do you believe in non discloser non circumvent agrements ?
now is not the time to go snakes and more snakes
the last time i took a so called friend to a vault he turned out to be a treasury agent his last name was Wilderor wilding he was with me whe we had that bible i didnt wantv to take the bible so used it and put it back finaly some one took it they had the odasity to film it on tv do you need to have the tv station letters give me an addrand i send you the letters so you can comfirm that i recon that sholud still have it from augus 1981 once a gain get the issuse of treasure mag 1973 and you will see it is not in virginia i can give you the libaray address and you can ask what they woul charge to send you a copy of those pages if igave all that info over the web we would have more holes than mount vale dose
what kind of a deal and how good of shape are you in bring a pick and shovel some bear mace last time i got in there i got in with a big cat i left it wiil take a couple of days quiet digging and shumack or propane fire to keep camp fire smoke down because the rangers partrol sometimes, my question has always been how do you get rid of 115 tons of ingots read the 73 article in mag how do you transport even half of that the feds are still looking they ripp[ed the topof that cave (not coal mine) off my good buddy was the ripper with his machine the feds rented it, he only live 15 minustes from it there the owner of the property got a share there was a small stack about 75 bars ,no gold
rembere this statement you will stated twice (as in echo) the *W* and *Y* is the first two letters of a place that the jewels use to be., one of my friends found the by accident, in the late 1960s wy is reversed(some reverse s that morris had) are the initials of th place all though it has thre more letters in the word it used to be in Virginia be fore it became the state of west viginia only four people are living that know about thos diamonds the one fellow lives in colorado he once ran for govenor or something in big bend CO.
go over to the gstrings get a copy that yo may use the name of the place where the MAIN ECSAVATION IS THERE BUT IT IS ONLY 2 LETTERS abbreviated for saftey get a copy of *lee broken bones* the 2nd code if thats what every body calls it ;gives the name of the originnal property owner it connects direcly on to the gsting name *2 letters* this code was designed to never be broken it is* separated just like the south and the north was since the owner is given *an in connection with*the other piece of propert gives implication of a deed and court house records but in 1890 silver was mined on that p[roperty but the US geo says no-way but the mined operated over ten years i have some documents of it this code only give pieces of words in one l and pieces in three in orde to make a whole word you get your need letters from number the phamplet by adding and subtracting line number and letter and page numbers how many pages are in the pa mph let to more key words ill usion and dark in them the ca ,n,dale* w*heel *be, n or* th t he*g,ase Or the candel will be worth the game and we will play it 2 the *N*
how many times dose the letter *K* appears in the strings and how many times in the phamhlet k or J 360 6 sides x boxes in letters dose sphere like in atomo*shere and box like in cube have any relativity mi*les or pounds and fe*et FE =iorn atom number 500 MILES back =1000 plus miles travel 6 Fee*t(A) bel*ow tabel in additin to 72 inch 4 miles from x 5280 feet how long is a county of ? township/ boro grid Pounds 12 or 16 ounces 1817 plus 2 = 1819 1832 1845 1865 Civil War mentioned in pamplhet 3 letters 1 book x pages = 1 reciept in box 31 men =62 feet 2 other remain behind = subtract 10 years must wait x365 1/4 10 days maybe longer =1 and % of week7days 2 weeks summer spring winter fall 90 days each 10 fingers in hands of 20 handed to me the box 1 friend 1 key 1 lock 1 box 0 how long i will be gone 3 friends your friend *in hands of* my dear friend 0 ever since leaving = minus remain as !00% on return in spring winter = 90 days =1/4 year spring = 90 days Days=30 plus x weeks=4 timesX weeks turned in to mont, h s months =12 minus x 3 =March early in march 5 = May 9 11= Nov first deposit 12 = Dec second
journeying 2 this pl ace =x 5280 uknown miles and back x city 10 years later,365 !/4 leap year = number of days 1862 Minus 1817 45 years later x365 com*for*t,able quarters 24 hrs ere the tim,e expires in a day 24 means Less number at,y,our house has a number on it ?? aty=attorney AT TURN=x degrees 1300 dollars jewels gold pounds silver pounds troy ounces date died morriss's sarha robert ward beale and men =34 people =68 feet morris'1/2 share =50% dates born +or minus 365 June =6 1 8 3 2plus 2 by means of six feet in hieght beale 72 inch spokes in wagon wheels =x numberx 4 you will rember 365 =circle of friends remove =0 the lock , in addition to 2 remove from party dis,position =0 punctillio=26 abc xyz distance to new OR 2 sitting by fire place Distance to S aint LO uis MO Libary of congrees year registerd 56 DOI signers 1776 july7 4th days of 7 7/12ths of 365 X numbers in code = how many 360 = in charge of the whole
most of ALL THE MISSING NUMBERS from fire of printer=x complete in themseles = 100 TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 11, 2006 8:36:38 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ToMm, you may have a cache in West Virginia... I just don't think it is Beale Treasure... I am NOT a Fed... R u? I DO NOT work for an agency (CIA?... ), do U? I am honest BUT... ANYONE can lie like the devil as references... HA! Send pics of what U got to Whyte Eagle on Groups, KGC Forum, Lost Treasure Web-site; then we can ALL have a "look-see"...
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Post by TOMm on Sept 13, 2006 23:11:21 GMT -5
Thanks for you Honest reply
and yes i knew the answers to those questions i'll get some picks up in the future, i try to stay away from that stash because of what they did before if they only would not have been so greedy they could of ripped me off more than that small pile caused i trusted my so called friend Agent wild.... honestly what bed ford was beal talking about he said YOU will he said it twice as in echo remove the U (the lock) and you have B Fords Bob Fords fords still live very near even today also rebs camped there
and what or i should ask how would we get shed of 115 tons of ingots the old timers used to call them bricks because thats exactly how they were transported and i can show pics o the hollow bricks they use to move a phony load of red bricks of bars inside didnt morris have a brick making oven also *maybe what i know* about is Vault number Two the northly course all i know that bufords and James make a good Pair for hiding out after the war beal said you will doubt less bee sur pris ed when hugh (disc garden) disc over remember or ask why did so called beal return to OLD VIRGINIA what did he do there about when was that very phraseology used, new virginia is now west virginia the western portionof the state said morriss and isnt 115 a number in the begining line of one of the codes
i have to many coinsidences to show that there is at least one vault out of Virginia that looks like a sister to bed four d Virginia where theres smoke theres fire
take and trash this if you wish but if i have a sister vault then the same method ought to bring up some indicator as to the location in vir gi n ya ill tell that this is the truth you willl refers to sheep aid of a k not key there is a key it is buried and its on a map get out the topos bed ford and com for table have a match in meaning by means of what doses webster say a means is the lion lyon lying (tall tales) was aroused the lyon was aroused needs special attention i know that most wont under stand this but a lion has a mouth cave has a mouth of the end (revelations) no one can tell, lion has a tell william tell lion is game big game it has a mane i remain as ever a little danger a lion is danger mr * A Do LITTLE * owned a store enroute to virginia General Lyon i dont think so buffalo is other game my Dear friend dear is other game grizzly bear is game seal is game letter sealed seal 1789 has a key on it i can show that seal carved deeply in a rock over a cliff nearby get out a one dollar beal (BILL) and look at it see the key **with this design**i visted
i need the info from the decypherment of that guy from the army way back(in 1908) when he was the closet to being correct from what i can tell i never once claimed to have broken these so called *bell letters *written as beal said in cypher what link can i find it
now when you hunt game you need a guide i have not open the mouth of these game trust me the bear and the lion and the deer have been located , not boasting bear and the lyon was an old book
was lyon and john lock poets
think out side 6 the box but now USE the game for a guide didnt beal have a guide? one that he pro cured and some serv ants TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 14, 2006 8:17:25 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D ToMm, Bob Ford was ALSO the guy who claimed to have killed Jesse James... if U have "pics", send 'em over to Whyte Eagle on the Ancient Treasures web-site, so we ALL can have a "look-see"...
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Post by TOMm on Sept 15, 2006 22:39:27 GMT -5
Thanks for taking your time to give your thoughts and opinion. Speaking of brains and bars i have got some of each, but hear is something that came from the middle of the road to the sister vault , its a sterling silver brain (flat engraved ) with the vaults location that are in old Vi Rg In Ia., i had it for many years, i found it in the road directly (so wagons would stradle it) below the cliff that the treasury seal is cut or carved in it had (past Tense) 2 ruby looking objects in it i took it to a friend of mine to get his opinion of what i had we didn't know at that time, but he took out his knife and popped out those two red objects i even had infrared pictures taken of the brain, thinking that it might reveal something on film that the eye was not seeing we still didn't realize it was a brain design and we didn,t realize that it was a map until we did some more test and cleaning it ,by laying it on a topo it matched different curves and terrain in the engravings MAYBE you might find some thing here FT, in your Virgin IA (an thats not an abbreviation for feet) it is on the brain *theres a clue in Beale's description* read slow ly .
you have not any reason to believe me any more than the man in the moon dose . , but if any body else is reading this and decides oh! what the heck lets go to FT and spend the day metal detecting i sure would appreciate you posting your finds if any thing at all. Thanks for your time and good hunting
TOMm
PS i spent half of my life day and night in the hills searching for cluse or bars or any thing i was not tryng to break a code as much as i was lookiing for the treasures indicated on map
i lost friends and family over it.
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Post by TOMm on Sept 23, 2006 0:49:13 GMT -5
Thanks The greates minds and computors have tried to break these codes by using known methods
Think out side the Box Alpabetize the the nouns catorgize the subjects Spell out the numbers for example 71 SE,VENT,YONEONENINEFIVE PLACE COMMAS IN THE SAME POSITION AS IN NUMBERS until you have a whole page of new letters you now have what TJB said would be unitelligble you will need a instrument to read it (the KEY)
spellout all numbers on all DOI and phamplet on all pages
TOMm
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