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Post by charlie mason on Nov 21, 2004 18:26:26 GMT -5
I AM GOING TO GIVE ALL OF YOU A HUGE CLUE TO THE BEALE CODES IF YOU WILLACCEPT OR YOU CAN CONTINUE TO REMAIN DENSE IF YOU WANT ..... IN THE JAN 4 LETTER IS STATED ....THE KEY WILL REACH YOU IN TIME AND WILL MERELY CONSIST OF THE CONTENTS OF OUR VAULT WITH ITS EXACT LOCATION AND THE NAMES OF OUR ASSOCIATES.... NOW PLEASE TELL ME SOMEONE WHAT IS SO DIFFICULT ABOUT THIS THAT MAKES ALL OF YOU WANT TO GO TRAPSING TO EVERY BOOK AND CRANNY LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT IS STARING YOU IN THE FACE? ? NOW HAVE A GOOD DAY CUL BT clodhopper
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Post by kydav on Nov 26, 2004 19:38:17 GMT -5
Charlie seems the only time mentioned in the Beale Deal is the dates on the letters and whats in c2 about the time of deposit, if thats what your referring to?
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Post by charlie mason on Dec 6, 2004 12:23:05 GMT -5
nope not the reply I was interested in hearing.I will say this that there are clues that are quite simple to understand,but you have to quit trying to see something that isnt being stated. Most people who work with this puzzle seem to forget that the Author has stated that everything necessary to solve it are contained in the papers,also stated is the clue that he read and read the letters and could find no clue to begin and yet where to begin was a problem most difficult to solve. Meaning that he did solve this problem,I solvede this problem,and if you read and think about with out getting to lost in the tree instead of looking at the forest you can solve it also.It is truly easy to comprehend and put into operation,by the way dont let any of these Beale Master Slueths tell you your wasting your time doing this because if they really knew what they were doing and trying to impress us with then none of us would still be trying to unravel the mystery. nuff said have a good day. bt clodhopper
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Post by smd173 on Dec 6, 2004 21:38:18 GMT -5
This is what he is referring to:
"I commenced by reading over and over again the letters to Mr. Morriss, endeavoring to impress each syllable they contained on my memory, and to extract from them, if possible, some meaning or allusion that might give, perhaps, a faint or barely preceptible hint as a guide;"
If we are to entertain Charlie's solution, we will have to look in the letters. He's always been partial to the "EVER" Letter (ie: The letter to Morris that starts 'Every since') so that seems like a good place to start.
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Post by charlie mason on Dec 11, 2004 10:03:10 GMT -5
How correct you are Steve,however,I would like to say that if you look at The "Ever Letter" you will see a date of May 9th,1822 and then I only reached here yesterday (ie.) the 8th ,I will only remain here a week or ten days longer and shall be gone two years we have the following clue 5- 9 -8 -7 -1 -2 and what do you have nothing less than 1789 minus two years which equal 1787 the year of the U S Constitution being written with Robt Morris Esq a signer not only that but June 1832 is also quite significant with this clue so I will tell you this much if you look at the number of characters in the way the document was signed and the way in which the state of residence was imposed upon it you will find that it equal 618 characters the number of numeric characters in cipher #3,also you will find that only 39 people signed the document and a little research will show that as of Jan 1822 only 8 of the 39 signers were still living meaning that 31 were deceased and Beale states in his letter none of us are to be numbered with the living. that still leaves us with the dilemna of the meaning of the 32 in the June 1832 date ,I know what this means and you will too if you can read it means this much you need 32 names BUT I WANT SAY HERE WITH ALL THIS STATED YOU NOW HAVE THE ELEMENTS TO REBUILD THE BEALE CIPHER KEY YOU MUST DO WHAT BEALE INSTRUCTS YOU TO DO I WILL NOT SOLVE IT FOR BUT JUST GIVE YOU THESE HINTS TO FULLFILL A STATEMENT I MADE TO STEVE DAY A FEW YEARS AGO THAT I WOULD LET IT BE KNOW WHAT WAS CONTAINED IN THE "EVER LETTER" Also you might want to note for trivia s sake that 9/5/1787 the Constitution was completed and was sent to the printer on that date.
you think about it have a good day cul bt clodhopper
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Post by smd173 on Dec 12, 2004 9:08:49 GMT -5
bt, You'll have to forgive me for being alittle slow this morning, but where exactly are you getting the 5- 9 -8 -7 -1 -2 from? The date in the letter is 5 - 9 - 1822. You mentioned the day before which is the 8th. Then 7 to 10 days. And finally 2 years.
So it seems like you are getting the 5 - 9 from the date (but dropping the 1822). Then picking the 8 from the date of the 8th. Then picking the 7 from "7 to 10 days". Then the 1 is supposed to be the 10 from 10 days? And then the 2 is for the 2 years.
I hope I have that all right.
Then it seems you get the 1789 by reading backwards the numbers 5-9-8-7-1-2. But you skipped the 2 and you dropped the 5 off the end. But then you need to subtract the 2 off of 1789 to get 1787. So what was the 5 needed for? Oh, that was to signify the 9/5/1787 date for the Constitution?
As an alternate thought...the 32 might stand for 32nd Degree Mason. (long distant cousin of yours ;-) ) (sorry, corny joke)
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Post by charlie mason on Dec 13, 2004 11:32:23 GMT -5
how confusing it must seem for simple little things.Actually the Constitutional Convention convened in May 1787. Steve these clues are not that difficult to compute,I fail to see why people have not seen them in all these years. The letter states that his instruction are explicit.yet have been overlooked by almost every one. THE week or ten days totals to 17 the letter was wriiten on the 9th but he mentions that he arrived on the 8 th and will be gone two years so if we subtract the 2 years fron 1789 it comes to 1787 in the month of may not to difficult to understand. now why did I discount the 22 in the date of 1822 that is because the reconstruction of the key clues are drawn to by ten years from the date of the letter. hence we are now looking at 1832 instead of 1822. june 1832 we now know that June equals 6 so therefore we have 61832 looking at this once again we know the constitution if as the clue leads us to beleive is such then what is the merit of this clue... first the the signatures and states as given in the Constution as it was signed total 618 characters for all thirty-nine signatures and states as given also the number of characters in the residence cipher. also research shows us that 31 of the people who signed the document were dead by january 1822 and 8 still living as our cast of associates equals 31 the left over 32 from the code key date of 61832 signifies that 32 names are necessary for the key composition leaves us with another name that is contained in the Beale Papers and this name is easily found . Steve this stuff is truly simple but if you or anyone else can not fathom what I have said here then people are going to have wait until David puts out "ON THE TRAIL OF THE TALL TALE LETTERS",for a more comprehendible explanation. anyway as I said I am not going to solve this for people I am just giving you some clues to work with figue it out and go with. I do want to add that this will not be all that is needed to solve the puzzle only what you need to reconstruct the code key. bt clodhopper
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Post by smd173 on Dec 13, 2004 11:48:24 GMT -5
bt, It's simple to you, because you've found a solution.
I am going through the process of trying to understand the clues and the tips that you have provided.
If I don't understand them correctly (no matter how simple they may seem to you), then I will have wasted alot of time in trying to verify your claims.
If you want it independently verified, then just answer my questions. Note that I didn't ask for a next step or next clue, I only asked you to clarify what you had already stated.
That's all.
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Post by Mister Slacker on Dec 24, 2004 1:57:43 GMT -5
In case anyone cares...
The Library of Congress just e-mailed me back this morning to let me know that they have absolutely no record of the "Beale Papers". The papers were never submitted to the Library of Congress in 1885 by a J. B. Ward, which the bottom of the cover page (of the papers) states. This leads me to believe that all of this crap for the last 180 plus years is a hoax...was, is, and always will be.
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Post by TOMm on Jan 10, 2005 0:29:04 GMT -5
1789 first coins stamped for U.S. Treasury Brashear dubloons only 10 stamped before geo wash. comamnded them stopped because of the Spanish design WE ARE AN INDEPENDENT NATION Ephriam Brashear minter John Hadin engraver *diffi CULT y had in find ing it* Albert Gallatin First successful banker of USA THEY ALL NEW ONE ANOTHER t j sEAL as in great seal t j bEAL as in beak of EAGLE TOMm
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 16, 2005 10:51:55 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Hoax? NAW... just a "Cover-story" to mis-direct.... Long Live da KGC! ;D
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 20, 2005 20:20:19 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D (Speaking in Paul Harvey voice... "And now... for the rest of the story..."
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 14, 2005 16:18:18 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D 4/14/05... Out Treasure Hunting? OR... What say ye all, now?
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Post by Rebel KGC on May 8, 2010 18:21:38 GMT -5
;D Last one for tonight!
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