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Post by tjb on Feb 6, 2005 7:58:59 GMT -5
Fellow treasure hunters. You need to post often on this forum. Our last forum died because of SPAM messages. This forum blocks all of those messages and messages that are inappropriate.
If you don't use it, we are going to lose it. If you have anything to say then, where are you going to say it. I see where "rebel" got picked on for posting too many times. Well, I will tell you if members don't post often, then we will not attract any guest or any new members.
So, come on does anyone have anything new or something old that they would like to post.
Even when I don't post, I like to view what others have written. Last night, I was looking on this forum, there were two other members and a guest on at the same time and neither posted a message. We are all looking, but if we don't post then others won't either.
PLEASE HELP THIS FORUM TO GROW---POST AND POST OFTEN. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by TOMm on Feb 6, 2005 21:24:55 GMT -5
the names of the treasure sites are mingled in th dec of indep.
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Post by Wils Card on Feb 7, 2005 15:18:53 GMT -5
OK Albert... take it easy! Don't blow a gasket!
Has anybody, other than myself, considered that this thing, referred to as 'the treasure'... is NOT metallic at all... and cannot be found or discovered with scanners or metal detectors. There is that possibility 'ya know! I know... because my research... has lead me to just such a conclusion.
Albert... let me ask you... let me ask everyone who has ever challenged this 'bastard.' Have you 'ever'... looked at the wording of the C2 message... NOT as we normally see them, on other sites and in other books and such. BUT AS THEY ARE "ORIGINALLY CREATED" from the words of the Dec of Ind. They are NOT like the words you see in this message!!! They are composed of 'capital letters' and 'small letters.' Take for instance... the word 'gold'... is ORIGINALLY seen as: G o L d And actually, it should be seen as: d L o G and then again as: d/ L o G Do you have ANY idea what 'L o G' means???
Now... I know this concept is all new to you... and I don't mind waiting for you to answer. So take your time... and then reply. And as I said, when I first started these forums: "I'll tell you if you're right or not!!!" And, 'just'... what IF: the two remaining ciphers, really... are 'bogus!' And don't mean 'SQUAT!!!'
And, just... what IF: the whole thing can be solved... with the finding of just a few words... describing the exact location... of what ever it is! And to do this... you simply 'convert' a 'list' of some '82' words... to 'numbers'... which is then 'placed'... in such a way... that every time this series of numbers is moved... say, one space at a time to the right (or to the left)... the values... of that series of numbers... continually CHANGES... until the desired location... is found!!!
Think of it, this way: A train, pulling 81 box-cars behind it... is placed on a long train-track, heading east. It has no instructions as to where it is headed... except that it will realize it when it gets there. You might see... 3 boxcars, and then a caboose... 2 more box-cars... another caboose... 2 more box-cars and another caboose... 3 more box-cars and another caboose... and so-on... and so-on... until the required number is reached. Then, it moves out... goes a mile... stops at a marker... and checks to see if it is there yet. If not... it goes another mile... stops at the next marker... and checks, if it is there yet. If not... it just keeps doing that, until it arrives at its destination. Or runs out of track... turns the train around... and heads in the other direction. Checking its placement on the track, every time it stops! True... this is a lot of work. But what other choice do we have. Other than giving up your seat on the train.
Wild Card
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 7, 2005 15:21:00 GMT -5
Bye' the way... Has anybody seen or heard anything from Charlie and David Mason?
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Post by tjb on Feb 8, 2005 22:15:29 GMT -5
Wildcard,
I am not a code breaker. I don't get into abstract paintings or such.
I worked continously three and one-half years deciphering the Beale Treasure Codes. If the cipher codes could have actually been broken, I could have accompolished it.
After scrutinizing over the facts and research by myself and scores of others, I believe the Beale Treasure is a fictious story to make a few bucks off of a best seller.
First of all the author or agent for the author breaks by accident Code Paper Number Two. In doing so, the author gives the DOI along with a corresponding numbering system he used to break this revealing cipher code. This is what he thinks. When, in reality it shows that the cipher codes are a fake. He numbered each word in numerical order. When he gets to about 480, the author makes a mistake and renumbers it again. From that point on the ciphers should be off by a code of ten, yet they still come up with the right letters that the author needs for the decipherment. This can not be true, unless the author was in a hurry to make up a story and did not notice his mistake.
In making this most revealing and somewhat historic decipherment, the author leds you to believe that there is an enormous large treasure buried by giving you the contents. But, in doing so, the author makes his second blunder. He says, "Code Paper Number One once deciphered will reveal the directions to the treasure and Code Paper Number Three will give the names and locations of all his associates. (If you will go back to the beginning of this fictious story, you will notice that the author says, "he could not decide how to proceed, then he says, "he himself numbered the three coded papers according to their length.
He must have been a masterful gambler because he broke Code Paper Number Two first then in the decipherment of Code Paper Number Two, he says he mentions Code Paper Number One and Code Paper Number Three. Whom ever made the ciphers and left them behind could not have known anyway or any how that Code Paper Number Two was going to be broke first and then reveal Code Paper Number One and Code Paper Number Three.
My third reason for saying that the Beale Treasure is a fictious story made up by the author or agent for the author is because out of all my research and the research of others into the Spanish Archives, the Beale Party of 30 never show up in Sante Fe. Check out the Archives that are very accurate----revealing the activites of everyday events.
I am sorry but I have to say the Beale Treasure does not exist. I hope Rockhound you keep this forum and I hope I am still welcome. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 9, 2005 9:04:19 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Wanna welcome you all back... I think some of the caches/vaults have been found... of Virginian families jewels... gold... silver... that were buried by families when "Yanks" came down the Shenandoah Valley and over the "Gap", down by the "Turnpike" into Bedford County, Va. ("Black" Dave Hunter's army)... hence the empty "vaults"... I still think Beale Treasure story was cover for "super-cache" of Confederate Gold Treasury (part of it)... and is yet to be found... when Beale mentioned jewels... gold... etc... And so, both tjb and Wild Card are correct... Lawd Gawd A'Mighty! Long live da KGC! ;D
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Post by kydave on Feb 9, 2005 17:57:23 GMT -5
you know i stopped at bufords georgia a couple of years ago to get a bite to eat. I'd been down at Dalonega panning. This is where the gold rush was in 1819 and 20 you didn't have to go out west but of course the find out there was supposed to be by accident alone.
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Post by tjb on Feb 9, 2005 18:37:54 GMT -5
Rebel,
My point exactly! If it is a cover-up for a large Confederate Cache, then the "KEY" to the cipher code should be the "KEY" that the Confederate Cabinet Members and President Davis carried with them.
Davis had one on his person when he was captured. At least it was in his belongings that were captured at Waldo, Florida. General Voldges sent a "KEY" to the cipher code of the Confederate Govenment to General Grant and President Johnson. We need to find this "KEY" to see if it will reveal the directions to the vault.
KyDave, you are right about the gold rush being in Georgia at that time in history. Although, gold had been mined extensively by the Spanish in the Southwest for almost two hundred years prior to this. When Pike published his book in 1810 he told of the magnificent territory and how rich in gold and other precious metals it was. He also goes on to tell of James Pursley finding gold on the Platte River in 1805 or 1806. Since this was in territory claimed by the United States with it's purchase of the Louisiana Territory in 1803, this could have attracted prospectors to the area.
But, I still believe it is a Confederate Cover-up as Rebel also believes. One day we may find out.
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Post by kydave on Feb 9, 2005 21:27:42 GMT -5
Wilcard, The guy that did this has your boxcars and cabooses a hundred apart plus one and sometimes minus one that's probably why he didn't use the number 100 and has 81 in that position, now your on my "track" ha. When i used to work on this thing a lot i'd go over to my Dad's house and we would swap ideas. He would always try to get me to give him an idea of how to measure from point A to point B or boxcar to boxcar as you put it. We tried sliderules trig. surveying, minus and plus numbers on a line and you name it and never could figure out how he did it but these numbers were placed where they are not just random picks as you probably know by now. Now where this is just an illusion trick to fool us or the real beale deal i don't know but good luck with your theory. But if this works somehow we always thought the best way to do it would be to decode right back on the doi since it's already been numbered making it easy. later
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 11, 2005 22:34:44 GMT -5
What I was trying to illustrate, was this:
115, 73, 24, 807, 37, 52, 49, ........
1157, 32, 48,073, 75, 24, .....
The "comma's" are always the same distance apart. Only the 'numbers' change!!!
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 11, 2005 23:32:40 GMT -5
Reply to Albert: Feb 8th
Dammit Albert... your working yourself into an unneccessary tither! Calm down! Relax! So you haven't broken the other 2 ciphers! So what!!! If they were 'REAL ciphers'... speculatively speaking... perhaps you could break them. But, as I say... that is speculation. Not adherent fact.
So what if you have spent 3 1/2 years working on the mystery. I've been at it for 25 years! As have many others.
True! the Beale mystery story is 'ficticious'... but that is just the 'cover' story... for the real story. Just like the dust jacket for books printed today. Of that I am certain! You have to look at the Beale mystery story... as a 'guide'... a 'training tool' to show you what to do to solve it!! That's all! That's what C2 is... a GUIDE. NOBODY solved it and got a message from it!!! IT WAS GIVEN out... like a 'sample' in a grocery store. Just a little 'taste' to wet your whistle on to get you to buy it.
You mention... "to make a few bucks off a best seller." Now you have to excuse me, but I have to ask: WHAT best seller are you referring to???
As for the rest of that particular posting, Albert... put it behind you... forget it and claim you never wrote it.
Wild Card
P.S.--- just in case you haven't figured out yet what "L o G" means: (remember: G o L d = d/ L o G) The answer is: Leaves of Gold
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 11, 2005 23:38:34 GMT -5
CORRECTION: Leaves of Grass (Walt Whitman)
Dam! I've been at this too long today. I need a drink!!! CHEERS!!!
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Post by tjb on Feb 12, 2005 10:13:07 GMT -5
wildcard,
you mean "log off gone" don't you? That kind of quotations mean nothing to me. I read your post hoping to find something of value in intelligence, but I can't find any.
"log" can mean a thousand different things? Mostly it's what you are wanting to find. "log" could be "load of gold" "land of goshen" "left on green" and gold backwards is "damn load of gold." This has nothing to do with code breaking, it's just mind twisters. We had competitions in grade school seeing how many words could be formed out of the words, "Merry Christmas" There are literally hundreds.
If you use the DOI as a key to break the ciphers. In code paper number one, you will run upon some almost perfect strings of the alphabet and strings of double alphabets. This shows you that when the ciphers were layed down the author had the DOI lying in front of him. It's just a story. When I meant "best seller" I only meant the author recognized the potential of making a buck, after the author seen how much literary circles appreciated "The Gold Bug." Then the author decided to make some bucks while he was unemployed and had to sale his mill on goose creek. That is all that I am saying. You can read this anyway you like, wildcard. Or, you can read between the lines and find something I did not say. Have a nice day. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by kydave on Feb 13, 2005 10:56:32 GMT -5
Time for constructive criticism about this forum. I personaly dont' like having to dig out the 11 digit password i have to use to log on because it's so long i can't remember it. So as you have probably noticed it's much easier to just change your name a little and sign on as a guest. Something different needs to be done if Rock wants people to log in.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 20, 2005 18:00:04 GMT -5
Yo! Scarlett O'Hara here: naw... really is Rebel... ;D yep... gotta keep this forum going... maybe need to change focus from Beale Treasure, tho... what say ye? ;D
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