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Post by andy skeen on Feb 9, 2005 18:23:01 GMT -5
is cipher 1 or 3 solved? i saw someone claims to have solved one of them but says bla bla and never tells how or what was the key..so does anyone know if the beale solved.com is just a scam?
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Post by kydave on Feb 9, 2005 18:36:16 GMT -5
Ha boy we're gonna get something goin here
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 9, 2005 23:02:23 GMT -5
;D Yo! Rebel here: Lawd Gawd A'Mighty! Right you are... kydave! ;D
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Post by andy skeen on Feb 11, 2005 0:01:28 GMT -5
i see....must be some history here. however, its been a hobby of mine for years on and off. so when i heard about the solved thing i wanted to see. im no expert but i need some convincing and the solved site didn't. so whats the story?
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Post by kydave on Feb 11, 2005 12:15:07 GMT -5
Andy the guy that has the site visits here once in a while maybe he will answer all your questions. I think it's the same guy anyway. Most of us have been leaving messages about the Beale deal and sharing info with the hope that one or all of us can come up with the key.
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Post by tjb on Feb 11, 2005 13:52:23 GMT -5
kydave,
There is no "KEY" to the codes. Everyone needs to get into a different frame of mind. Forget about the treasure and just read the story. There has got to be others out there that can see that the story is made up and there is no treasure to find.
Even if there was a "KEY" it would be the DOI. Why should there be more than one "KEY" Then the story should say "KEYS"
Believe me I have knocked myself out for about thirty years; I have made more than 250 excursions into the Bedford County woodlands. As the story goes if you can not afford the time leave it alone. I think it should be left alone entirely. albert_hunter@yahoo.ocm
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Post by kydave on Feb 11, 2005 15:39:07 GMT -5
Albert you wanted us to post so that's what i'm doing. I've had this code since i was 18 and now i'm 58 and i've all but given up on it. I spend more time at this website than i do trying trying to unravel the mystery so that's not much. But i still enjoy hearing other peoples ideas and it's something to play around with in the winter months. I can remember when you were really gung-ho, correct me if i'm wrong but you said on national tv that you would never stop searching for the Beale treasure. Ha knew one guy after 30 years threw his copy in the garbage can and slammed the lid only to dig it back out before the truck came by and said what else have i got to think about that's this much fun so there you go!
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Post by tjb on Feb 11, 2005 19:17:06 GMT -5
kydave, I too like reading others ideas. But, we should shift into another gear or take another road, if you will. I would like to know more about the National Treasure Codes. At least if you can crack their codes, you will find one million dollars in jewels. With the Beale Treasure we can keep talking, guessing and what you will, but I don't think it can be found. It is or was in the mind of some unknown author. If you go to www.terraserver.com you can look at all the infra-red photos of the Beale Treasure for free. A treasure of four tons would be readily visible, but none can be seen. kydave, it is like the Jonathan Swift Lost Silver Mines. People have searched for over two hundred years but the location still eludes everyone. The source of this treasures beginning was from a book also. Mr. Filson, sure gave everyone something to search for, and they are still searching for it. Filson was an educator and teacher; he could do survey work; as well as being a gifted writer. He meet his demise while trying to lay out a town that later became Cincinnati, Ohio. He told his stories so much his partners thought he was serious and I believe they did him in. One of his partners was an ancestor to Vice President John Breckinridge. This ancestor lived on Grassy Bear Creek in Kentucky. Strange John Filson disappeared on Grassy Bear Creek. We can keep searching for these myths or legends, but I would for one would like to find documented and legitimate treasures to find. Searching for Ghost are hard to find. But, I still like to read what others are trying or are searching for. I know I said I would never give up searching for the Beale Treasure, but for now I am going to sit on the sidelines and watch for a while. The trenches can wear you out. Good luck to you kydave and all others. There may still be a pot at the end of the rainbow, who knows for sure. albert_hunterA@yahoo.com
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Post by Andy on Feb 11, 2005 20:26:58 GMT -5
Kydave, Thanks for the response. I must admit that you handeled a seemingly delicate situation very tactfully. As far as the Beale Treasure being a hoax, maybe, but it's still fun. I know some have much invested in finding it so they are not as casual about it as I am. I have no money, time, reputation etc..in the Beale Treasure, so truthfully, I may even be disappointed if it is solved one way or the other! One of my best friends died about a year ago and Beale & Swift were a hobby for us and now they mean much more to me. I'm far from an expert on any of this but I do have a few thoughts on both of the "treasures". First, I remember a news clip about a man in Bedford finding either gold or silver washed out into a creek and believed it must have come from the Beale Treasure. Also, I have been to Bedford deer hunting several times(I never killed any deer because I was really treasure hunting!). On one trip I did stumble on a formation that fit the description of the vault. I dug some, but I couldn't get my hunting buddies to help or stay one more day so I could dig more. At that point, I was about 17 or so and had no choice but to go home with them. I never went back and probably couldn't find it again anyway. Realistically, what is the likelyhood of it being the treasure? One in a billion. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't one theory about Beale's full name? Something about "Jefferson" Beale's middle name being assocaited with Thomas Jefferson, the DOI's major contributor. Therefore, Cipher 1's key would be connected to "Thomas" somehow. That really does help since few keys would have been available. This type of "key" then could be the Thomas Payne Papers maybe. They are old enough, available, and have the "Thomas" connection. For me, it all collapses here. "Beale" is the deal breaker on this one. My only possible "key" here is the Bible, maybe. As far as the Swift silver, I remember a news clip about some silver bars being found. The story was about a man flipping over rock. There were turkey tracks carved on it. According to legend, Swift marked some hiding spots that way. That was enough to convince me and my friend. Since we lived in Wise County,VA. It cost us nothing to poke around on High Knob. The only thing we ever found was some Indian relics in a few caves. A couple of pieces were quite valuable and we sold them to a collector. I hope I'm not putting myself in jail here! I don't know if I am supposed to type this much here, if not, sorry. If anyone knows anything about those events, I would appreciate some info. Take Care, Andy
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 12, 2005 17:11:35 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Andy, welcome! From Wise County, eh? Close enough... Yep lots of caches down yer way... and yep... "turkey foots" and "hoot owl trees" are clues... you musta been CLOSE! ;D Anyway... you know the terrain... AND... Jefferson could have been for JEFFERSON DAVIS! LGA! Yep... DOI is BEST Key... the Rebs declared their INDEPENDENCE, too! Haw! What say ye? ;D
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Post by kydave on Feb 12, 2005 23:28:02 GMT -5
I don't think i got posted the first time so i'll try again. Andy i have news for you. You can order John Swifts journal-maps-and research for only $5.95 and thats cheap for the info your gonna get, i have a copy myself. Write Mrs. M.P. Henson P.O. box 980 Jeffersonville Indiana 47131-0980 Research compiled by Michael Paul Henson really some great stuff.
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Post by kydave on Feb 13, 2005 9:24:52 GMT -5
Mrs. Henson also has treasure related research , 20 pages on each state for only five dollars per state that's also a great buy. As a matter of fact i told her the info she's selling was way under priced. A haircut cost twice that. Mr. Henson was a great writer and dedicated treasure hunter and is missed by a lot of people i'm sure.
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Post by AQndy on Feb 13, 2005 19:56:23 GMT -5
tjb, No need for you to look for treasure, or anything else for that matter! The DOI can't be the only key!!! If it was ciphers 1 and 3 it would have been solved when cipher 2 was, that is elementary. You must have missed the part of my post about the five or six silver bars found under a rock with turkey tracks carved on it. That event was televised by the local news, as it happened. I guess that part of the Swift legend was true, now wasn't it! Same thing with the gold nuggets in Beford, that was also on the local news. So I guess those were a myth too. I am sure parts of both legends are false of exxagerated, as are all legends. However, there are enough valid events to not dismiss them outright, as you are doing. As for the terra satallite thing, it does not have ground penatrating capabilities. If it does, they are not available to you or me. That pretty much kills another one of your reasons. Rebel, The DOI of the south? I have never heard of one. Even if there was, that would have been in the 1860's; Beales ciphers were in the 1820's, so that not a possibility. kydave, i am going to assume the "Beale solved" web site is the lie I thought it was! The author at that site suggested he solved the ciphers using a projector!!!! Again, the Beale legend is from the 1820's, not a lot of overhead projectors around then. If Beale had one he should have frogot about gold and silver and cashed in on his revolutionary technology!!!!! Does anyone have any credable or well thought out ideas that they would be interested in sharing with the rest of us-please feel free to post. Thanks Andy
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Post by tjb on Feb 13, 2005 21:00:55 GMT -5
Andy,
I haven't missed the point. I look around all corners and sharp edges.
The reason I said the DOI was the "KEY" to the Beale Cipher codes is because the author or agent for the author used it to decipher code paper number two. And if you will use the DOI to translate cipher code paper number one you will run upon the alphabet strings that prove he had the DOI lying in front of him. Also, if you will refer to Thomas Beale's letter from St Louis to Robert Morriss, Beale says, "such a "KEY" I have left with a friend in this place. "KEY" not "KEYS"
The six silver bars you mention found under a rock with turkey tracks carved on it does not prove the validity of the Swift Treasure either. There were fifteen silver wedges found near Chenoa, Henry Bolten Gap in the Pine Mountain Range. Michael Paul Henson and Indian treasure hunter Tommy Veal said they had inspected markings on rocks all over in this area. They went and checked the 1972 story out in 1994. They found a flat stone shaped like a ships anchor; above it another stone with the markings of a triangle with a dot in the center of it; directly below the triangle dug twenty inches deep was where the fifteen silver bars were found. They weighed about seven ounces and were shaped like a wedge. One had the markings of a Spanish King and was about the size of a piece of eight. There may be some truth to the Swift Treasure but more has to be verified. I found where a stone is marked with a triangle pointed down with a dot in it also. And it is at a place where Swift left one of his caches, but I have found no treasure beneath it. They may have recovered it while Swift was in England. But please don't say someone is wrong and they don't know what they are talking about and should give up on finding treasure for the reasons you give.
As for the terra satellite photos, you need to research into infrared photography a little more. The photons from the infrared beams penetrate the ground to hundreds of feet; or at least until they hit something they cannot penetrate. Then they are reflected at right angles from the source of the sunlight; which is usually in a southwesterly direction. The infrared light is used because within this spectrum is the frequency you will need to find silver and gold. The frequency being 628 to 632 nanometers. This will appear as a copper or gold reflection on the color infrared on the black and white it will appear as a hole in the photograph.
I hope you will consider all of your dismisals of my post and do further research into some of these things. Then post your findings. Because believe me, I do know a lot of what I am talking about. These methods do work. If not for landowners I could have proven this over nine years ago. As soon as one of these treasures are recovered there are limitless treasures that can be recovered later. Good luck to all. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by kydave on Feb 13, 2005 23:42:25 GMT -5
Andy you may be right about the site you went to i don't think i've seen that one and i don't see any comments posted about it. The only person i've heard talk of using a projector is Tomm that makes post here once in a while and i don't think he has a website so maybe your right the website is also a hoax!
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