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Post by kydave on Feb 14, 2005 18:35:52 GMT -5
Albert, Tommy Veals was supposed to have found one of these triangle shaped rocks down around Jellico Tenn. somewhere on Pine Mt. I'm not sure if this is another location or the one your talking about. The people down there think this is where one of the Swift mines is located. I do know if you ever get close to a treasure and can't pinpoint it Tommy is probably your best bet to take along with you.
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Post by tjb on Feb 14, 2005 19:20:34 GMT -5
kydave,
You are most likely correct about Tommy. He has been world champion long distance treasure finder and most likely still is? I think he is a Choctaw Indian. I may be wrong and the spelling may be wrong. But, Tommy is one of the best.
The cache that Jonathan Swift said he buried at the mouth of creek flowing generally to the North is where I found the triangle with a dot in it's center. Such a sign means treasure is buried directly below. Off to the East of this stone was a larger one that was broken in half to put a gravel road through. On top of this stone is the intials HH dug about two inches deep and about eight inches high. I have always felt this was the intials of Henry Hewitt. A member of Swift's party. To the southeast about two hundred yards is an Indian Calendar.
I have made several trips to the area. I told the land owners I was searching for Daniel Boone artifacts. They gave me their permission. I may have to make another search there. This creek is in West Virginia. As Swift said when their lading had holes shot in it by the Indians. They had to conceal the treasure. He said they did not sleep till they crossed the Great Kanawha River.
I may have been a little hard on Andy but there just isn't enough to confirm either treasure----------Beale or Swift. I would like to believe there is still treasure to find or a code to break, but I would like for some information or research make me sit up and listen. I am still looking.
I have researched and found where twelve members of the Swift Party lived in North Carolina. Still I am skeptical until I or someone comes up with some treasure.
Michael Paul Henson, God bless his soul. I sent him a letter asking him if he would ask some Germans about buying the map locations of the twelve members. Michael told me they had spent millions trying to find the Swift Treasure. I told him wouldn't it be best to find where they lived because that is where they cached their booty. Two of the members were said to have had over 600,000 pieces of eight. This is about sixteen tons. If the Swift party did exist they most likely were pirates and there would be fabulous treasures near their homesites. So I asked Michael to ask them $600,000. for the map and locations. Michael returned the letter and told me to deliver it myself. He said with a laugh on the phone, "I simply can't deliver such a message. "
I still have the map and the locations and I have searched for a couple of them. If not for the Old Deed Book Number One being stolen from the Salisbury, North Carolina Clerk's Office, I may could have already found one of the caches. I am still trying to locate another copy of the Deed Book in Ansen County, since that county is much older.
Better save some of this for later. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by andy on Feb 15, 2005 0:49:41 GMT -5
Tjb I not saying to give up on the treasure, I thought that was what you said? As for the letter to Morris, "key" "keys" it makes no diffenence which word he used. If the DOI were the key to all the ciphers, that wouldn't be very secure and no reason for 3 different ciphers. Also was Morris privy to the content, the owners, and only lacked the location? Also if the ciphers are a hoax, then were the letters to Morris also faked? If your satalite info is true, then can you see the contents of Fort Knox? How about an active gold mine? I don't think so. As for the Swift treasures, your post contains 3 references to the validity of it! The 1972 account, Chenoa, and the place you found. Two contained silver and your was already discovered sounds like. Thats enough evidence for most. Just to clarify my position, I do believe some or even most of both of the legends. As an aside to the Swift legend I have a theory of my own. In my neck of the woods many believe there are a race of people known as melugeons (not sure how to spell it). There are several theories as to their origin. My theory is they are the decendants of the Spanish miners abandoned by Swift. Tjb, I am sure you are very well versed in the subjects you speak of. However, according to your posts I gathered you dissmised the validity of the treasures existance. Then misunderstood my stance on them. With that knowledge, would you care to comment on the questions I have posed? Kydave, the web site is www.Bealesoved.tripod.com.
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Post by andy on Feb 15, 2005 0:59:40 GMT -5
I just saw the later two posts, my suicide attempt failed, so all is forgiven! So don't worry about being too hard on me. Also did I read that correctly, you offered $600,000 for a map! If you have that kind of disposable income why are you looking for treasure. Hell, the treasure is in your savings account! I'm looking forward to your answers to my questuions. best regards, to you and kydave Andy
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 15, 2005 8:27:26 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Andy... Welcome to the "Board"! Gonna clarify a few things... the original DOI was "used" to declare Independence... Rebs never had their own, to my knowledge... AND... the 1820's "cover story" is sorta like you writing a D-Day WW 2 story to cover up finding French Treasure... after the battle... we can all "go back in time" in this respect... ;D read "Confederate Treasure Coverup: Duty, Honor, and Deceit" by Peter Viemiester (who also wrote two other books on Beale Treasure)... any thing on Knights of the Golden Circle...which Beale treasure is a "super-cache"... Happy Reading! Happy Treasure Hunting! ;D
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Post by smd173 on Feb 15, 2005 8:41:48 GMT -5
If the DOI were the key to all the ciphers, that wouldn't be very secure and no reason for 3 different ciphers. Andy, Welcome to the board. You assume it wouldn't be very secure to use one document for 3 different ciphers and you would be correct EXCEPT, who is to say that all 3 ciphers are book ciphers? There are many different methods of encryption that were well known at the time that story allegedly took place. These methods are definitely more secure than the book cipher method used for encrypting Cipher #2. Plus if you read the Beale Papers closely, it does explain why there are 3 ciphers. The first one is the location. The second and third ciphers were postscripts. "The papers enclosed herewith will be unintelligible without the key, which will reach you in time, and will be found merely to state the contents of our depository, with its exact location, and a list of the names of our party, with their places of residence, &c. I thought, at first, to give you their names in this letter. but reflecting that some one may read the letter, and thus be enabled to impose upon you by personating some member of the party, have decided the present plan is best." So originally Beale was just going to give the names to Morriss but changed his mind. Of course this is assuming you believe the story to begin with. Here are 3 sites you should check out: Ron Gervais has an excellent site with alot of Analytical information: www.angelfire.com/pro/bealeciphers/Robert Ward makes a great argument that the Beale Papers is actually a story written by Edgar Allen Poe: www.bealepapers.com/And my page I set up just to provide some basic info on the Beale Papers. You may find some things there to be useful (it is horribly outdated though, I haven't made an additions to it in almost a year): smd173.tripod.com/Beale/index.htm
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Post by andy on Feb 15, 2005 18:55:18 GMT -5
I don't have time to post all I want right now. I would like to thank everyone for responding. This is all very enlightning. I mean no disrespect to any of you guys, I am well aware that im hopelessly behind the learning curve! It's just that I had to "rub your rhubarb" to get any responses!!! I have questions for all of you, i think it will help me and even some of you with perspective. Bye for now Andy
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Post by tjb on Feb 15, 2005 19:16:10 GMT -5
andy,
You sure didn't read me right. I said I offered to sale the Germans the map for $600,000. That's alright, I make the same mistakes sometimes.
Yes, the infrared will pick up any large deposits of gold or silver. One problem though, most of the photos you will need to purchase are not for sale. They will tell you they are distorted or they didn't turn out right. Now they are digitizing them and I don't know if they will give the same quality. 911 caused most of this. All of the aerial photo labs are not moitoring our National Security.
As for the melungeons, they are of Portuguese descent. They were ship wrecked on the North Carolina Coast Line in 1296. The Indians took them inland to the South Fork of the Cumberland River. Their first settlement was a little below where Chief Doublehead lived. The Chief also had a gold mine.
I guess a part of me still believe the Beale Treasure may exist, but only as a cover up for a Confederate Cache. The Swift Treasure I can go to about a fifty-fifty split. Keep up the good work andy. At least everyone is posting, maybe they will chill out a little as I must do. Thank you. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 20, 2005 17:39:21 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Gonna jump into the "fray"here: I agree with tjb... AND need to clarify the hoax/cover-up thing... In a sense... the Beale Papers story is a HOAX... BEALE TREASURE story was COVER-UP for CSA Treasury being sent WEST and SOUTH... after the fall of Richmond, Va. in April of 1865... AND the agents conveying the TREASURY were ALL FreeMasons (Known to be able to keep SECRETS)... ALL 32nd degee Scottish Rite Masons (AND Reb Officers)... the FEDS were after them for many reasons... all through out N.C., S.C., Tenn., Ga., etc... then out west... are KGC & Outlaw depositories/caches... (doesn't this, just get that ols blood up? ) Hillbilly Bob Brewer wrote about KGC stuff... and Floyd Mann has GREAT website on KGC... Long live da KGC! ;D
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Post by andy on Feb 25, 2005 23:22:43 GMT -5
i saw someone mention a different cipher or unsolved something. Except this one is real or theres a reward or something. Does anyone know what im talking about. If so where do i get a copy?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 26, 2005 7:09:07 GMT -5
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Post by tjb on Feb 28, 2005 17:41:23 GMT -5
Has anyone out there been working on this National Treasure. They say it is based on similar schemes as the Beale Treasure?
If it is does anyone know if it is a cipher code or just something you have to figure out from a videotape or video or a book? albert_hunter@yahoo.com
I understand it cost about $29.95 plus about 9 or 10 dollars for shipping. Is it worth the effort?
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Post by TOMM on Mar 13, 2005 0:18:01 GMT -5
ITS NOT SOLVED BUT YOU MIGHT WANT TO USE MORRIS'S LETTERS IN PHAMPLET TO HELP SOLVE THEM IF THERE SOLVE THEY DIDN' GET ALL THE VAULTS (2) NUMBER TWO IS A KEY FACTOR IN THERE LOCATION TOMm 1000 percent sure
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Post by Rebel KGC on Mar 13, 2005 10:26:16 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: TOMM, I agree with u, that not all da vaults have been found... the smaller depositories are "ripe" for "picking"... ALSO... did u know that there is a TURKEY FOOT ROAD, TURKEY TOE ROAD, one road over from OLD PLANTATION ROAD on the border of Campbell County and Bedford County on Rt. 460... just past Timberlake Road? Maybe, that is where the Rebs buried $ 4 Million in a well (one version of legend) on Marshall Plantation Gonna check it, myself... tjb, where r u? HAW! ;D
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Post by tjb on Mar 13, 2005 20:36:11 GMT -5
Rebel,
You may be right! I tell you what I would do. That turkey foot road or turkey toe road should have three forks into one main road. Your treasure or where you should look would be on this main road, the longest toe of the turkey foot always leads to the treasure. Best of luck. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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