tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on Apr 28, 2005 16:17:45 GMT -5
Wildcard,
Let us lay our stubborness aside and get back to posting. I am sorry for what I said to you or about you. Post anything you like. We all have different ways of trying to accompolish the solving of the Beale Treasure Mystery. It will most likely take all of us to find anything of use after such a long time in history.
I have given up on trying to solve the cipher codes. Maybe someone with that is a good computer programmar can come up with something new to solve that part of the mystery. I have been digging back into history. Maybe someone dropped a line or told someone something. There may be something laying out there with dust on it; when I find it; maybe then it will shed some light and clear up this mystery.
I will keep searching. But, please everyone get back to posting. Rebel is all warmed on the keys and ready to go, is everyone else. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
Has anyone contacted Peter Viemeister about the forum maybe he can give us some insight. At his book signing he tells a lot about the Beale Treasure, and most of it is not in either of his books. He gives a small amount but he tells more than he has written. Especially, about Jean Lafitte.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 28, 2005 16:52:54 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Welcome back, tjb! I agree Peter probably knows more than he writes... I'm going to see him, tomorrow... ANOTHER "tib-bit", that u alluded to in a previous "post"... THE FANCY FARM connection! U see, I did some research in Bedford, Va. library... they have OLD 1865 map of Bedford (then known as Liberty), and Fancy Farm is about 4 3/4 miles north west of Bedford City... about 5 miles south west of Bedford City... I have found... a beech tree with lots of graffiti... about 1/2 mile further... 2 suspicious "mounds" (about 5' apart, 3' high)... HUGE hillside cliffs/boulders suitable for hiding treasure... all of this along OLD road... south of Bedford City... a James Wright is listed on this map, as one of the most IMPORTANT citizen of Liberty during the Civil War... THINK! Could Buford of Fancy Farm be... TJB? Should we be looking at "locus of control", being Liberty? Ah well... later...
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on Apr 28, 2005 19:08:08 GMT -5
Rebel,
I have a copy of that map. It is a large one. I had to make about eight different copies to get all of it. It shows all of the roads that were used at that time and where people at that time lived. It's an excellent map.
I hope we are talking about the same map. I haven't looked at the date on mine. I obtained it at the Library in Eden, North Carolina. Does your show Paschal Bufford's location where he had stones took down from Sharp Top Mountain and sent them to make the Washington Memorial. Also the Mt. Zion Church that he built in 1822. Then we are talking about the same map. Mine has where he bought Fancy Farm. I don't think mine gives distance. I will have to try and find it to make sure we are talking about the same map.
Tell Peter, I said hello. I still have his sterling gold plated coin and taking good care of it. Ask him if he has the pencil drawing of the pillar dollar I found in North Goose Creek. I asked him about it and he didn't remember. He must have it somewhere. Talk with you later, Rebel. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 28, 2005 20:33:50 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Lawd Gawd A'Mighty, tjb... I think we have the same map... Look at the bottom... on the right... distances are given... who was the Buford living at Fancy Farm in 1865? I think, THAT is the "clue"... the date of map in library is on upper right hand corner... something to 1865... The old Tate clan "homeplace" is on right hand side... near White House/Huddleton area... so... I am having LOTS of fun doing this... Geeze! ANYWAY... " show me da money, momma!" ;D
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on Apr 30, 2005 7:55:59 GMT -5
Rebel,
Since, we are the only survivors on this forum, e-mail me. There is no need of talking to each other here. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|
|
Post by Wild Card on Apr 30, 2005 17:17:27 GMT -5
Gee, Albert... I don't know. This thing bein' kinda' dead n' all.
But 'ya know... there just might be something that you... and Rebel, can find out... and then send it to Ron Gervais, if you would.
In 1775, a woman named Pamela Coggin was born in Bedford County, Va. In 1797, she married Samuel B. Clemens in Bedford County, Va. In 1802, Clemens paid $1,000.oo for 400 acres in Bedford County. In 1804, he sold the land to Samuel Hancock, and moved to Mason County of West Virginia.
My question is: The 400 acres of property... Was it near Goose Creek... and did any of their family members stay in that area?
If the two of you can find this out for me, I will be most appreciative... and Ron will thank you also.
Wild Card
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on May 2, 2005 16:08:09 GMT -5
Wildcard,
I have went through all my research, nothing. I have checked the internet, nothing. There is a new book coming out about the question that you asked. It doesn't give the answer either. It tells about the 400 acres being purchased by Samuel Clemens in 1802 and selling it to Samuel Hancock in 1804.
I had my genealogist look in their enormous library today. Their records only go up to 1768 for Bedford County.
When I make another trip to Bedford County, I will go to the County Clerks Office and try to find this information for you. I need to look through their old police records anyway. As much as a temper as the author says that Thomas Beale had, he had bound to have at least one complaint filed against him either in Bedford County or Campbell County. The records in Bedford are not in any order, they are all piled in a drawer. You have to look at them one at a time. It will be time consuming. If I get a chance I will look this up for you about Samuel Clemens. There should be a tax record or something.
I would have answered sooner, but I have been trying to find an answer for you. See you all later. It may be two or three weeks before I get to go to Bedford County.
How about you Rebel, will you be going that way soon. You can get one of the clerks to help you find the deed? albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on May 2, 2005 18:38:45 GMT -5
Wildcard,
I finally found the map Rebel and I have been talking about. I have over twenty years of research. It took a lot but I finally found what you were looking for.
Mark Twain's maternal grandmother, Pamelia Goggin and Samuel B. Clemens lived on a branch of Goose Creek near Moneta. Thier home was on Body Camp Creek which flows West into Goose Creek. The Hancocks lived on the next branch downstream called Hunting Creek, it flowed East into Goose Creek. Samuel Clemens lived near the Quaker Baptist Church built in 1775 and this being near the Lower Meeting House built in 1757. The Hancock's lived near Goose Creek Baptist Church. (The oldest Baptist Church in Bedford County built in 1771. Near there the Chamblissburg Road crossed the Rocky Mount Turnpike. All of this being about twelve to fourteen miles South of Liberty (Bedford City)
A Major Graves Hancock lived North and West of there by about three miles on the head of Shoulder Camp Creek. I have the names of most of their neighbors if you need them. There is also a Davis Mill near where Samuel B. Clemens lived where the Rocky Mount Turnpike crossed Goose Creek before it got to the Chamblissburg Road.
This is all I have on this unless you need further information. I will try to find it for you. I thought I had lost this map. It took the better part of two days to find it. Rebel does your map have this information on it? Hope to be of help to others. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|
|
Post by Elwood Chaney on May 2, 2005 19:34:21 GMT -5
Albert/Rebel:
Now don't either of 'ya go puttin' yourselves out... or doin' a lot of travlin'. Ta'int all that important. The 'Clemens' that I was askin' about, would be the "grand-parents" of Samuel L Clemens (aka; Mark Twain)... as I have said, a zillion times before, one of the 3 guys that I credit with having created this mystery.
Really, I guess, finding out if the property was near Goose Creek or not... is neither here or there. What it clearly does... is establish a credulized link between Bedford County and Mark Twain... or should I say, Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass, as he used to describe himself in his early writings.
Thank You, Gentlemen!!! for your indulgence and efforts.
And don't forget. Any information either of you might find concerning this... is not for me alone... its for all of us. We're all in this TOGETHER. Sure, we disagree about the many aspects of this mystery... but by attacking this thing from all sides, eventually we will find the 'needle-in-the-haystack.' Talk to 'yall later.
Elwood Chaney p.s.--- Has anyone ever wondered as to just 'why' the D.o.I. was used as the key to C2? After all, it is a pretty 'hokey' key, as many others have said. And I totally agree with. My 'belief' is... that it was because of the length of it... and because it has so many 'capitalized' words... which are necessary in the second method used... to understand C1 & C3.
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on May 2, 2005 19:59:10 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Yep, tjb... it sounds like the same map... it is hanging up in the Bedford City Library, and is the ONLY one, hanging up in the library; my sense is... that IT is the ONE to review... names... etc. I will e-mail u soon, to set up time to meet... DEPENDING on how u get up here from Henry County... I can show u... BEALE TREAURE TRAIL ROAD; map in library... Breech Tree with "markings" on it... old "sentinel" log cabin... 2 "mounds"... MANY hugh cliff-like boulders... drill-holes (for "siting poles")... TURKEY FOOT ROAD... TURKEY TOE ROAD... OLD PLANTATION ROAD (Marshall Plantation?)... what say ye?
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on May 2, 2005 20:54:52 GMT -5
Wildcard,
I believe that when the author says he arranged the ciphers according to length is when he made a mix up of the cipher codes. Cipher Number two that was broken by the author using the DOI, is actually cipher code number one, because it uses the first letter of each word in numerical order. The reason I believe it was cipher code number one is because the DOI is the first document that formed the Thirteen Original Colonies and started this as a separate country from England. Now I believe the Louisiana Purchase is the next key to one of the two remaining cipher codes; as it formed the second large segment of this country and would be between the DOI 1776; Louisiana Purchase 1803 to 1805. The third key was the Adam-Onis Treaty of 1819 and is the third annexation of land to the now United States. Since the cipher codes were made up in 1821 and 1822; this would be the three most likely documents used as a key. I believe if you use the second letter of each word in the Louisiana purchase either forward or backwards you could decipher one of the two remaining unbroken codes. The Adam-Onis Treaty will be to break the third cipher and you will use the third letter of each word either forward or backwards.
I believe that Thomas J. Beale used an old history book with these three documents as his key to the ciphers. As I said I am not going to try and decipher the codes; if someone wants to try this as a method of breaking the cipher codes it will most likely work, but it is going to take a lot of work and a lot of programming your computers. The ciphers can be rearranged a little a "1" can look like a "7" or a "2" can look like a "7" there are so many possibilities. It will take a lot of patients. One of the main things about the codes is the use of periods after some of the ciphers, this will let you know that he is beginning a new sentence. Good luck. I am going to try and recover the gold and silver myself, heck with the codes. I want the gold! What say ye, Rebel! Lord God, Almighty!.
It will take me about three weeks to work myself free. I hope to see you then. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|
|
Post by Elwood Chaney on May 3, 2005 6:38:11 GMT -5
Albert: As I said... attack it as you see fit. That's all I'll say.
Elwood
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on May 3, 2005 6:59:50 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Lawd Gawd, A'Mighty! k, tjb... as Mr. Chaney said... "attack it as you see fit"... May 22nd, good for you? Bring camera (digital, if u have it)... note pad and pen... all on private land... NO DIGGING, yet... take pics... take home... plan yer attack... ;D THEN... (I feel a book in the works, here; all yer research and stuff... ha! will e-mail u, later... (sun is out, again... Hoo-Ray! ;D
|
|
|
Post by Rebel KGC on May 3, 2005 9:34:06 GMT -5
Yo! Me again... (wiping off glasses...) looked at calendar... realized that Saturday (21st) is better... need ALL day to give "tour"... ha! Nuff said... Later... Lawd Gawd A'Mighty, Momma! ;D
|
|
tjb
New Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by tjb on May 3, 2005 16:01:22 GMT -5
Rebel,
I am not sure I can make it on Saturday the 21st. I will have to wait till we get a little closer to that day. I know I will have to go to WVA next weekend. The week after I am not sure.
Your location of the mounds sound good to me. I know the Beale Treasure is not there but there may be cache just as rich in gold and silver. There were a lot of rich farmers living in that area.
Hope to see you soon. I will e-mail you or post on the forum if I can make it that Saturday. We haven't raced in three weeks and I will miss this weekend. Everyone may want to race that week I hope I can miss that one, I would rather find all of that gold and silver with you.
There are other caches around but from Bedford City to Bufford's Gap there is only one really strong signal and I believe it is the Beale Treasure. Only the Good Lord knows because I will never get permission to find out. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
|
|