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Post by Rebel KGC on May 25, 2006 16:56:19 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Yep, Beale, it is on the knoll, above Monvale, to the north east... u can see it from Rt. 460... those shovels -probably been found by now, by the "locals", dusted for finger-prints (just kidding... ;D ); in june, we can look... (still sunny out...).
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Post by David Mason on May 26, 2006 16:41:21 GMT -5
Beale If you have a copy of PB INNIS' book "Gold in the Blue Ridge" go to page 222 and read what Innis has to say about the piece of paper you refer to.....She does not say she got it from the iron box but it was given to her and was purported to have came from the iron box and she at one point questions that is where it came from...there is no allusion given that she has the Beale story iron box in her possession. facts sir only the facts
DM
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Post by David Mason on May 26, 2006 17:03:29 GMT -5
Yo Rebel.... Hazlewood gave Hart eight notebook sheets of paper to copy that contained the codes, 2 sheets headed number 1, 3 sheets headed number 2 and 3 sheets headed number 3.(see GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE, THE HART PAPERS SECTION, PG 180) The narrative section of The Beale Papers at the site your post directed me to does in-fact specify three sheets of paper containing the codes.....so anyone should be able to figure out if Hazlewood had eight sheets and the Beale Papers were comprised of three sheets then Hazlewood did not have the originals but copies. Real facts sir, only the real facts LGA..... ;D DM
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Post by David Mason on May 27, 2006 4:43:59 GMT -5
Albert........ Thanks for response, yet location of the iron box still does not smell right, not your response to me, but her response to your question about the two pieces of paper, she reproduced them in her book, she says she was given them by someone else and are believed to have come from the box..... why would she need a couple of days to look in the box to make sure??? My whole contention about about this treasure thing is....the belief in a treasure connected to the ciphers comes from the deciphering of BC2 as given by the author of the Beale Papers, in which a description of the treasure is given and a general local, this deciphering connects back to the TJB letters where he describes the contents of the vault connected to the ciphers The letters are connected back to the authors narratives in the Beale Papers and Morriss' purported statements concerning Beale. If one is to believe in a buried treasure as described, one must believe the given statements surrounding its origin since the Beale Papers is the only evidence to link the ciphers to a treasure. the deciphering of BC2 dates the treasure burial in 1819 and 1821...if this deciphering , the foundation of treasure belief is true, then this rules out any connection to Confederate gold. If as a few people contend that the Beale story is just a cover story for something else, then the BC2 deciphering is not real and the treasure story is a hoax, a catch 22....If someone wrote the TJB letters as a cover story as often said, then there is no reason to believe in a treasure since the BC2 deciphered and Jan 4th letter connects to each other.....so to believe there is a treasure one must believe in the letters written by TJB or else BC2 was falsified to connect with the Jan. 4th letter or the letter was falsified to correspond with the given deciphering of BC2. again catch 22 Without the deciphered text of BC2, we would have a story of a treasure found out west and hidden in VA as described in the TJB Jan. 4th letter and some sheets of paper with numbers on them, not much good for selling to the layman for fifty cents in1885. but with the deciphering of BC2 and the method used... tantalizing to the imagination.... as already demonstrated by our interest. I know you already know all this, I've just thrown it out for others to read and maybe some one will come up with an idea or two we haven't thought of. DM
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Post by Rebel KGC on May 28, 2006 15:29:37 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Facts? OK... where do U live Mr. Mason? It is a fact I live in Bedford Country... I do research in Bedford County Library... and many other local places, like Beale does... I rather go with the Hart/Hazlewood Codes (before it was known as the Beale Codes...) REGARDLESS what PB has said... I have been in the areas of interest (Lynchburg/Montvale/Bedford(Liberty)... done re-enactment and heard the tales of the KGC/Rebel Treasury, etc... WHERE R U? (sunny out...)
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Post by 816 wood berry on Apr 4, 2008 18:53:59 GMT -5
test
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Post by Not An Option on Apr 8, 2008 22:23:57 GMT -5
Some results are in.........believe or not....no gibberish 32...47...63...96...124...217...314...319...221...644...817.. T....H.....E.....R......E......A.......R........E......T.......W......X.... 821...934...922...416...975...10...22...18...46...137...181... X.......X........X.......E........X......N.....T......Y....F.......I.......V.... 101...39...86...103...116....138....164...212...218...296... E.......G.....O.....L.......D.........E........N.......C......O.......I...... 815....380....412....460....495.....675...820.....952 N.........S........H........E.........R........E.......X.........X Sorry can't get an exact alignment here but you can get the idea Where is the sequence 32, 47, 63, 96, 124 in C1 or C3?
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Post by beale on Apr 9, 2008 16:04:13 GMT -5
What alignment? None of those ciphers repeat, therefore it can not be said that there is any decipherment. I can place anything on cipher when there is not any of them repeating. Before anyone can believe anything such as what you have posted you need to explain how you derived at the solution? Otherwise it is meaningless.
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Post by beale on Apr 10, 2008 5:06:25 GMT -5
What alignment? None of those ciphers repeat, therefore it can not be said that there is any decipherment. I can place anything on cipher when there is not any of them repeating. Before anyone can believe anything such as what you have posted you need to explain how you derived at the solution? Otherwise it is meaningless. All I am saying is that if no cipher repeats you can put any letter on any cipher therefore you can say anything and it will be correct. What is the method of decipherment?
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Post by TOMm on Apr 10, 2008 22:15:42 GMT -5
HI YAWL
IT repeats from bottom left upwards to right top
it states NEXT THREE
TOMm
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Post by tr on Apr 26, 2008 20:06:26 GMT -5
Have to agree with david, just don't beleive its in 3d. I believe you have to solve 3 before you can solve 1
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 26, 2008 20:25:57 GMT -5
Why? Thought BC3 was just a list of names & addresses...
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Post by beale on Apr 28, 2008 19:54:18 GMT -5
What alignment? None of those ciphers repeat, therefore it can not be said that there is any decipherment. I can place anything on cipher when there is not any of them repeating. Before anyone can believe anything such as what you have posted you need to explain how you derived at the solution? Otherwise it is meaningless. All I am saying is that if no cipher repeats you can put any letter on any cipher therefore you can say anything and it will be correct. What is the method of decipherment? I hate to be redundant but where is the method of decipherment? Even after post by Tomm, I don't see any?
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Post by TOMm on Jun 8, 2008 16:52:51 GMT -5
high gents
thought you would like to have some new info
how about DAVY or DAVIES /David LEWIS as one of the two men at Buford's den of thieves hotel and the other looks like a man with the name of G morriss
David lewis was from Fort Bedford in jail his last words were he could see his treasure from the jail house bars where he stood
he was a known hi-way-man and thief passably stole a treasure train that R mores morris mores had been exonerated from charges he claimed to have lost a treasure train of silver and plate and the US Congress forgave him
source of information :
a black and orange book named signers of the DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
AND SECOND SOURCE
PENNA. TREASURES about David Lewis ( St Louis) of fort Bedford County Pa
THIRD SOURCE 1832 by means of this you will know what to do
TOMm
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Post by beale on Jun 9, 2008 19:26:32 GMT -5
Right interesting TOMm, I plan to read the 88 page book, "David Lewis, The Highwayman" Also Robin Hood of Pennsylvania. Thanks.
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