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Post by beale on Jan 23, 2006 17:33:38 GMT -5
rockhound,
I found out yesterday, I don't know where the Beale Treasure is buried. I found out my treasure hunting equipment is a fake and a fraued. It does not work at all. From now on I will rely on my research and my trusty metal detector.
I am still going to write the book. I will have to research more and study more now. It is a shame that manufacturers can sell machines that are totally useless. I will recoup from this and start all over. Maybe I can still make a trip to see you rebel and we can get out swing a metal detector together----------hopefully sometimes before vacation.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 23, 2006 18:10:20 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Beale... a BUMMER!!! To have "High-Tech" Stuff, that doesn't work.... I think it is time for something similar to "Psychic Archeology"... "arm-chair" Treasure Hunting... REMOTE VIEWING; we probably all do it at some point... I know authors tap into it to write books... poets... musicians... U.S. Army/C.I.A. did it for "Operation StarGate"... "Grille-Frame"... as well... it is all similar to DROWSING!!! ANYWAY...
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Post by Rockhound on Jan 24, 2006 17:05:51 GMT -5
It really doesn't matter Albert, if you can write a fictional account that tells the true history of Beale and his compatriots, while carrying a fictional account of characters yu've created There are loads of "How to" books out there! This is different!
I say you should just immerse yourself in the story and screw the rest!
GOR
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Post by smd173 on Jan 28, 2006 20:52:44 GMT -5
I'd be willing to bet a good old American two dollar bill that Steve Day and Wildcard Chaney are laughing so hard that their sides are splitting. Well you'd definitely have a $2 bill in your pocket then. I mean, you have to admire Albert's persistance. What is this is, the 5th time he's figured he'd found it, but didn't? I'm with RH though. Throw your thoughts down on some paper and see what you come up with. Everyone always enjoys a good 'hunting story.
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Post by Rockhound on Jan 28, 2006 23:53:29 GMT -5
What Albert is proposing is NOT a "how to" book, like so many others, it's a fictional account!! There are precious few of those on the market and I'd encourage you all to get behind it.
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Post by Wild Card on Jan 29, 2006 17:57:17 GMT -5
"Well,Well!" Charlie 'The Ghost' Mason has re-appeared. How are 'ya Charlie? And what of David? Hope your both fine.
"NO!" I'm 'NOT' laughing about Albert writing another book. In fact... I see absolutely nothing wrong with him doing so. At one time I might have cajoled him for doing so. But not now. Being a little older... and 'a whole lot wiser.' I can only hope that Albert has the time and enjoys doing so. So.........."BOO-YAH!!!" Albert! GO FOR IT!
What of you, Charlie... and David? How is the 'book' that you said you and David were writing coming along? Any where near completion?
As for my book. I doubt very much that any one will ever see it. To try having it published... is possible. As to whether it would be any kind of success... is very, very doubtful. Even though 'every single aspect' of this mystery were explainable. It would simply cause to much controversy. Besides being derided and ridiculed.
In this day and age... there are just "too many" who have "convinced themselves" that everything about the mystery is true. Which, its not.
I don't feel it is worth my time and effort, to try and change the minds of so many... who hang onto a belief in the story for so many reasons.
Sure... I could show them that... by changing '2' minor things in the DoC... and then using the 'empty spaces' in Cipher #2(after the numbers are removed) would make all the difference in the world for this mystery. I could show them that there is a 'back-up' solution, in case no one solves the story procedure, which requires the finding of "IT." You know, that's the thing about: "You will have no difficulty finding it." Which is: "I The quick brown fox jumps over A lazy dog."
But nobody wants to hear that sort of thing. So now... I just sit back... and take it easy.
Wild Card
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 29, 2006 21:32:43 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Mr. Cheney... u have found it! The KEY!!! "You will have no difficulty finding it"... now find appro letters/numbers subs... (ie. as example... a = 1, etc. etc. ... )
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Post by Wild Card on Jan 30, 2006 18:59:43 GMT -5
I want to elaborate... on what I said yesterday and what I didn't say.
First of all... I must make it clear... THERE IS NO TREASURE of gold, silver, or jewels!
What this thing was created for... was too give the world 'proof'--- that Po(e)pe Pius IX --- had Abraham Lincoln assassinated.
Have you ever wondered 'why' no one ever came forward, to make the claim that they were responsible for the creation of the story? And suredly you realize that the story was created by more than just person? Why are there references to the Civil War in the story? Why does the 'alleged' amount "tweLve hundred aNd eiGHty eiGht of siLver"(1288) also apply to: Serial Volume 1288--- United States Government, The Official Government Investigation into the Assassination of President Abrahan Lincoln
So 'why' didn't any one come forward and say that they created the story, or that they were a part of the 'group' that was behind the creation of the story?
"WHY?" Because they were scared to death to do so! Just imagine. Here was a man thousands of miles away from the States, who has enough 'power'... to order the execution... of an American President. What kind of chance would an ordinary individual, such as those that were responsible for the creation of the story... have against a man with that much power. None... thats why no one came forward.
Instead... they created a "TIME capsule" with the information in it. *** I can only assume that Townsend got the idea for the use of a 'time capsule' by watching the laying of a time capsule in the cornerstone of the Washington Monument in Washington, D.C. Not knowing, that at some time in the future... several books would be written... confirming that indeed... that Pope Pius IX, had given the order to eliminate Lincoln.
You don't have to take my word that it happened... look at the facts: All the conspirators had Catholic affiliations. Surratt escaped Washington, D.C., with the 'aid' of Catholic Priests. He was smuggled thru Canada, into England, and across Europe by Catholic Priests. Was discovered by 'accident' in the Pope's private Guard. When he was brought back to the States for trial, he was defended by Lawyers, paid for by the Catholic Church. And tended to, by Catholic nuns. He wasn't hung like the others, only a short time in prison. Why? Because the Government knew of his affiliation with the Catholic Pope, and didn't want to pursue another Civil War in this country. A religious war!
When he was released from prison... he was given a gadening job in Emmittsburg, Md., at the Catholic Seminary. Upon his death... he was given a burial of Requiem Mass. Something only reserved for a Pope, or someone who had performed a spectacular achievement for the Catholic Church. Check it out! Its there.
Here is something else for you to consider. All through the years I have been pursuing this enigma... I was of the opinion that Lewis Carroll had been the one that created the Cryptographic aspect of the story. And very well, he may have. It was the "game" that he created, called 'DOUBLETS' (You will, DOUBTLESS,be surprised...) which allowed the name Beale, to also be used as Beall.
Well, gentlemen... there you have it. At least that part. But there is "so, so, so much more" that I haven't even considered to 'enlighten' you with.
Now its up to you. Consider the 'rantings and ravings' of Fred and Wilma, Rebel and Albert, and the Vimeister's... or what I have provided you with over the years... in black and white.
Its your turn to be the Judge!
Wild Card
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 30, 2006 20:39:09 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: I read yer post with great interest... BUT.... u lost me with yer attacks on everyone else, in the last paragraph; KGC was also involved with Lincoln assassination... not sure if they were Catholics... NOT likely if FreeMasons/KGC were involved. "Ranting... and raving?" (Speaking with Bill Clinton voice...) "Define ranting and raving..." ;D
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Post by beale on Jan 31, 2006 17:39:32 GMT -5
President Lincoln was assassinated because the President would not hear Mr. Booth's request to let a Mr. Beale go free and not hang for spy charges. That is the only reason. It had nothing to do with Confederacy, The Pope or the KGC, I am sorry to say. Mr. Beale was liked so well by the people that lived around his plantation home and John Wilkes Booth was one of those men. Mr. Booth went to Stephen Mallory Confederate Secretary of the Navy. He went to President Jefferson Davis and findly he had an audience with Abraham Lincoln and Lincoln turned him down. Sorry fellas.
Rockhound the information I found I was telling you of confirms beyond a shadow of doubt about Beale going West. I can connect Beale with the gold out West.
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Post by Rockhound on Jan 31, 2006 18:05:25 GMT -5
Hi Albert, I'm afraid that I have very little knowledge (compared with you and others here) about the whole Beale story, only the little I've read here and there and so I fear any historical revelations you unearth will be somewhat lost on such an ignoramus as myself. However, should a programming expert with a liking for codes and cyphers ever visit this humble forum I would be able to spill a whole wealth of ideas and tips for solving the puzzles Rambo fashion! That is to say, Head on, aggressively and mindlessly, without even looking at any backstory or searching for a key of any kind, just throwing the codes into a very special program of my own design which I am 100% confident can crack the codes easily. That said, I fully expect that my program would throw up several coherent and arguably "correct" decipherments, but again that is conjecture and without the necessary programming skills, I'm afraid I cannot pursue the Beale codes any further. I can program in several languages, alas, none of them are current or available on the PC This is why I rarely become involved in any discussions regarding Beale or his codes. I just don't know enough about them. It's part of the reason I'm so excited about them, if you can get your head around that! lol The reason I love the codes so much is because although I loved the story (who wouldn't love the romantic mystery of the Beale codes?) I saw a connection, a way to tackle the codes without the use of a key, without having to become a Beale expert or even a code breaking expert for that matter. The Genetic Algorythmn is what brought me to the codes unfortunately it seems to have kept me away from them too. I'm just happy to have this forum to stay in touch with the topic until the day someone finds it or I find a collaborator to work with on the next generation of my program. When either happens I'll celebrate! Gordon
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Post by beale on Jan 31, 2006 19:32:22 GMT -5
Yes, Rockhound, I read some of your thoughts on that subject on the old forum. I believe it can be done also, I came pretty darn close, myself. I am still not sure if I didn't solve the thing.
There is a poster on the treasurenet forum. He said that the NSA has ran about every book before that time and era through it's computers and have not come up with a solution. I think NASA and IBM as well as the secret military outfits have tried likewise. I still have an open mind to the subject. Myself, I believe that the "KEY" was a copy of the ST. Louis Beacon newspaper. I have a copy that had the DOI on the front page. The problem is I sent the microfilm back before I realized that it could have been the "KEY" and of course I did not get the whole page only the DOI.
Someday someone will run up on the correct "KEY" And yest I do believe that there is a "KEY" and I believe that the treasure is still there to be found. I wish you look, Rockhound. Maybe you should contact some of the "Code Experts" that are on the internet about the Beale Cyphers. Someone that is claiming they have solved the cyphers by using a computer. Good Luck to you. I wish we could drag more participation into this project. Maybe the word hasn't gotten out yet.
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 1, 2006 15:12:02 GMT -5
Here is a little something that might help you guys along:
Sometime ago, I showed you that the C2 message, has clues in it: *the '4' and the '6'... which takes you into Psalm 46 *the '1819'... which takes you into Psalms 1 18 and 1 19 --- in the Douay-Rheims & King James Bibles *the 'nov' and the 'dec'... which lead to placement in the D of I.
All leading to 1307 &1314... The Divine Comedy... written in '3' volumes... each volume containg '33' cantos... which leads you to the only word in Italics... Treasure.
Now... what does '3' > '33' > '4' > '6' > '11' > also "represent?" Any ideas?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 2, 2006 17:28:54 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Lawd Gawd A'Mighty! Priase da Lawd!!!
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Post by Wild Card on Feb 2, 2006 18:49:16 GMT -5
"Yo! Rebel!" Elwood here:
'Ya know, Rebel... I initially thought, that 'YOU' of all people, would have 'easily' recognized the 'numbers!'
So what are " 3 > 33 > 4 >6 > 11 ?"
The answer is: MONTICELLO
3 floors high > 33 rooms total, in the house cellar > 12 rooms 1st floor > 11 rooms 2nd floor > 6 rooms 3rd floor > 4 rooms + > 13 skylights
Hey, that was fun!!! Let's try another one: *What is 1-1/2 hours due West of Washington, D.C. *Was surveyed by George Washington *Was at one time a Tavern *Has water that comes from a spring, coming out of a small cave
Enjoy!!!
Elwood
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