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Post by Kydave on Mar 9, 2006 9:45:06 GMT -5
Sure i can agree with you on the possibilty of the shell game but i just can't imagine anyone being that "good" at it! I haven't found anything even close to it anywhere! It just seems to me that someone could figure out the system even if it doesn't spell anything. I've often thought we were being led down the "primrose path". The story could be a loard of crap since it does resemble the writings of Clemens in a "lot" of ways. If a ship came in at Norfolk and then went dow the James and unloaded at Coleman Falls or Bedford County that would make more sense with a load like that and i hear ballast stones have been found in the area. But i'm not about to tell anyone they are barking up the wrong tree since i've only seen speculation. Myself i've seen enough in the math to make me stick with that even though i don't spend much time on it anymore it's always been interesting. You will notice i hardly ever mention Gold, Silver and Jewels in my post!
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Post by kydave on Mar 9, 2006 10:28:42 GMT -5
Heres another far-fetched idea! I read where there was a genius living on an island in the James River during the Beale time frame. He could be the "Culprit"! But like most of us i haven't kept notes on my research.
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Post by Elwood Chaney on Mar 9, 2006 14:57:32 GMT -5
Kydave;
My mentioning of the 'shell game'... was simply, an analogy. A way to illustrate, that... by simply placing a single cipher(C2) in the story, even though it is accompanied by 'a result'(C2 message), which is to be taken as an example of how the process is to be carried to the other 2 alleged ciphers. The prospective benevolence purported by just having the C2 cipher in the story, would soon have the story to fall by the wayside... and just become a fons memory. To add the other 2 purported ciphers to the story... was essential, if for no other reason, than to keep the story and the information contained within... Alive... and in people's minds. C1 and C3... contain nothing more than, additional 'little pieces of candy' to be followed.
And "YES"... the Beale story, in itself, is a 'load of crap.' But... the story has been constructed... for a purpose! I think I have illustrated that, more than enough times.
If you want to follow finding a 'mathematical aspect'... that's fine. But first, realize who you are up-against in that respect and endeavor. Are your math capabilities... that good... that you could challenge the English genius.... Charles Dodgson(Lewis Carroll). "YES"... he is involved in this little charade, also. Now, how do I go about proving that to you. Let's look at the time line, first. Since the essence of the story 'could not have happened' as stated. And that statement backed-up by 'so many others' that have come before you. We must then be open to the idea of looking at times just preceeding, the discharge of the story to the general public. With that in mind... since Poe "died"(and that is FACTUAL) far to early to have been of any assistance... crypticly... then we must look else where. In Dodgson... we have the proper time perspective. As well as, a Master Mathematician... and Cryptographer.
So what makes me think that Dodgson was also a part of this mystery!!! We begin with: "Not to be delivered until June,..."
Now... is the first word, to remain being perceived as "Not...".... or to be recognized as "Knot" Which takes us into Dodgson's realm... and his creation of his '10 little math games'... which he called "KNOTS." You see! Another 'little piece of candy!' And then... there is what he wrote, in "Alice Through the Looking Glass"(1871)... chapter 7... The Lion and the Unicorn ... beginning at:"Not at all," said the King.
For the next several sentences, in that text, you will find an abundance of capitalized 'H's... the way Townsend closed all of his writings in his later years. Incidentally... I believe that you will agree with my summation, that the "Anglo-Saxon attitudes" is a referral to Clemens.
Now... ask youself. Have you ever encountered anyone else, on any other forum, or any where else... that appears to have as much of a grasp on the situation as myself. Or would you prefer to tell me to mind my own business, and not converse with you. Check!!!
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Post by kydave on Mar 9, 2006 20:34:55 GMT -5
I have never claimed to be the sharpest tool in the shed so to speak. Ninety percent of the people that dig into this Beale saga are in over their head and don't even realize it as far as i'm concerned. I don't agree with all your anagramming but you do have a very good case. You have produced a mathematican that could have done the code. I have looked for such a person in the past and never could come up with anyone i could be sure of. Clemens writings and stories have a lot of the same verbage phrases etc. But on the other hand David Mason had me read the Mormon newspaper and the punctuation was exactly the same as the Beale papers. So i have begun to believe that all the writers back then walked, talked and wrote their stories in the same manner. I have posted before about the story being misleading and if there was a treasure we were probably being led away from it not the opposite. The same for the code, if it's real theres a good chance that alphabet is not going to come from the DOI because we have been led to believe some fool is telling us about where a treasure is buried and used the DOI as a key. But as i said you have a very good case and anyone involved has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they have the right solution, myself included. Look how many times the codes have been broken already! I guess everybody wants to see gold before they believe anything. An empty hole just don't cut it Checkmate!
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Post by Elwood Chaney on Mar 10, 2006 12:05:26 GMT -5
The 'codes' are broken? That's news to me!
Please elaborate. Any chance of proof... to illustrate statement?
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Post by Elwood Chaney on Mar 10, 2006 12:13:29 GMT -5
The 'codes' are broken? That's news to me!
Please elaborate. Any chance of proof... to illustrate statement?
If its "Treasure" you want?
Page #66 of The Divine Comedy, as translated by H.F. Cary, has it. Only word in Italics. Declaration of Independence (Rough Draught) has it.
Any other requests?
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Post by kydave on Mar 10, 2006 12:52:07 GMT -5
I think this site will agree with most everything you've said, www.criticalenquiry.org/beale/ or named The Legendary Beale Treasure . Some of those that have claimed solutions are Mel Hodgens, Bealesolved.tripod, George Love, Ray Kendall and Albert Attwell and course the relatives that found the key in the Bible cover, but i'm sure you already knew all this. Ha! Ask them to prove it to you not me!
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Post by Elwood Chaney on Mar 10, 2006 19:19:14 GMT -5
Well,....................... 'ya took all the fun out of that question! Dang it! To get any kind of constructive conversation or meaningful "FROOF of their Claims" without Liabeling themselves (which anyone trying to sell a book, a video, or get 3 minutes on some obscure TV program) should be forced to do... is the same as 'Dumpster Diving' in the Bronx. There's your reason why we don't more more contributors on the forum. So many people have been "RIPPED OFF" by 'scams' promising 'solutions' to the mystery... it scares them to participate. These 'buyers'..... don't seem to understand, that.... IF someone is offering a book with 'solutions' to the mystery.... whatever is 'aledged' to have already been found... in which case, what good is the book? Anyone promoting such a scam should be reported to the authorities. And get their money back!!!
But should a book be of any kind of value at all... a good publiscist for a confirmed book publishing company will welcome them with open arms.
But you already knew that... didn't you!!!
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Post by kydave on Mar 11, 2006 10:25:08 GMT -5
Yes sir i did! Now let's move on..........
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Post by Rebel KGC on May 22, 2006 15:13:16 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: (sunny out...) Well, here it is... almost Memorial Day, 2006... ready to "rockhound"...let's move right along... and see what we can find...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jan 11, 2012 19:24:15 GMT -5
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