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Post by kydave on Sept 1, 2008 18:57:51 GMT -5
Good Job! ;D
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Post by kydave on Sept 2, 2008 5:58:07 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 2, 2008 6:49:11 GMT -5
;D I have read that WHOLE web-site, and that map does look interesting. NEVER went looking for "Devil's Mound", etc.; beale? I DO remember that P.V. told me that SHARP TOP (Of the PEAKS OF OTTER), used to called NORTH PEAK... DUNNO.
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Post by beale on Sept 2, 2008 16:41:50 GMT -5
Hi Rebel,
Of course I know where all of that map is located. First of all, I talked to Boyd Jolley, years ago. I also have been sent a letter from Mr. Lamar Cross. The whole story is fiction------made up----did not happen. As soon as the story came out, I went to the landowner and talked with him and his wife----NICE FOLKS. They would never tell an untruth. They told me and you can bank on this--------NO ONE AND I MEAN NO ONE HAS BEEN ON THEIR PROPERTY WITH A PICK OR SHOVEL--------LET ALONE HEAVY EQUIPMENT.
They did do some excavation under a large stone in a church yard but with church officials watching and they told me NOTHING WAS RECOVERED. If it had they would have gotten their share.
I even talked with relatives that lived back down off the mountain, a son and a nephew, they said no treasure has been recovered, then they asked do you know where it is buried? Is it on my land? etc etc etc. All of this happened just before a Cheyenne Indian made the headlines saying he deciphered the codes and it is buried in a cemetery on Wolf Creek.
By the way the creek that you go up there is just below the Walnut Grove Church on Sanford Bower's property. I spent many a day and several years searching around there as well as Jimmy Luck's property upstream which he has lost now to new owner. But if you go up that stream, I dug three holes on that stream with backhoes myself--------so I am speaking from experience. But if you go to the head of that creek (Which is called in 1843 Bold Branch) it will take you to the top of Taylor Mountain, where the road passes through McFall's Gap. (My brother and I drove my car across that mountain which is a feat in itself. But, the road don't come down that creek anymore, it will take you to where Mr. Dooley lives near the Smyrna Church.) You still have to go around a rough ridge for about a mile to get to the property, Mr. Lamar Cross claims where he found the vaults. This property is owned by at least at the time of the story by a Mr. Wallac Orange.
NO TREASURE WAS RECOVERED THERE AT ALL. First of all, the distance is all wrong. If you start at Buford's Tavern, even if you don't use Buford's Tavern as a starting spot the deciphered code paper number 2, said the treasure was four miles from Buford's. Now if you go as a crow flies which is a striaght line this location of Lamar Cross and Mark Green is over six miles. If you take the road as he instructs with his map you will have to travel between 7 and 9 miles. It is four miles to Sanford Bower's property and then two or three miles straight up a creek to the top of the mountain and then turning east for about one mile to Wallac Orange's property. TRUST ME FOLKS THE BEALE TREASURE WAS NOT RECOVERED THERE IN THE 80's. And if it was? and I say was loosely. Why don't they come out with decipherment of the codes as someone finding the decipherment and saying the treasure is gone. Hell the decipherment would be worth millions to historians and movie buffs. I close my case because I believe I know where the Beale Treasure is and it has not been recovered by MR. Lamar Cross or Mark Green. Thank you very much.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 2, 2008 16:52:31 GMT -5
;D THANKS, beale! I knew YOU were "in the field"; so folks, just ask beale re. "in those hills" questions... Really important to "debunk" the "junk"...
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Post by beale on Sept 2, 2008 18:35:25 GMT -5
All they did on that map was come down Goose Creek trying to throw you off saying make a left turn. In 1820 to 1822, if you made a left turn there if was on foot or maybe a horse, there was no 695 highway there in 1822. Check the 1865 Confederate Engineers map-----maybe 1864? But anyway that road was not there in 1822, the road crossed at the next creek up above where they made the left turn. That is where my dig was in 1994 at a watering hole and barn just before the wagons crossed the mountains they would have had to stop here. If you don't believe me drive by on 695 pass the Walnut Grove Church turnoff going upstream in the curve beneath the hill that the Church sits on you can see the old road it is about 30 feet deep-----this is the wagon road not where Lamar Cross says to take the left turn while he was heading south.
The mail was carried across the mountains up Bold Branch in the early 1900's by a Mr. Black. He was the grandson of a man named Black. Guess what, I got this from his granddaughter that passed away. She was about 90 years old when I talked to her in 1982. Her grandfather was riding his white horse with brown and gold spots when the horse throwed him. Mr. Black had to shoot his horse. This was in a gap in the mountains. Have you guessed the end of this story yet---------------------------------------------------------------------That is how Blackhorse Gap got it's name. Not from a black horse but from a horse that was more white than anything else. But anyway when the tavern was built up there it was called the Blackhorse Tavern, not because the horse was black but because it was a horse that belonged to Mr. Black. TRUE STORY. She passed a way about eight years later. I would drive over 90 miles each way to hunt for the Beale Treasure, many a day all I did was sit and talk with this wonderful woman that would tell me stories of the area. I guess that is a treasure all to itself. Thanks.
PS By the way the story of the Beale Treasure being recovered in an ice house. This was behind the home of Sanford Bower. It is still there. I had Kenneth Dooley dig those holes for me. He was in the movie, "Unsolved Mysteries" about the Beale Treasure. He had a lot of stories to tell also. Then there was Jimmy Luck wonderful man with stories of the Beale Treasure that has been handed down through his family not through books. Lord I wish I had time to talk to the people more you can learn so much. That' the kind of treasure I enjoy.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 2, 2008 20:34:53 GMT -5
;D GOOD, beale... ready for TOME II ? ;D
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Post by beale on Sept 2, 2008 20:53:35 GMT -5
TOME II, I am already working on it. The book is called, "Beall Treasure Recovered." I have enough research, unbelievable research. It involves all of the settlers of the area, all of their deeds and wills, as well as topomaps. Some deeds are hard to map because of mistakes by the surveyor. I am having problems with an 800 tract, I just finished a 300 acre tract that went together beautiful and fit perfect. This 300 acres I have been searching for over two years, now I know where it is.
Some things I have uncovered so far is a man by the name of Leonard Beall. He was born in old town and Indian Village in Kentucky. He and his friend volunteered to fight during the War of 1812 and were sent to Detroit. Of course the US troops lost that Battle. Beall and his friend were captured by Indians. They were forced to run the "gauntlet" after the Chief found out where Beall was born, he made him a son, and he did not have to run the "gauntlet" After talking, things over Beall invited the Chief to visit him in Kentucky, which the chief did after the war. The Chief had been born in "Old Town," also.
These two friends had something to do with the Beall Treasure. I am under the impression that the trip to Sante Fe may have been made up, I have uncovered relatives of these people and their relatives migrated to Kentucky where I believe the Jonathan Swift treasure was found. I at least know from old historical records that there is a lot of silver in this area as well as gold. They may have found "Swift's" treasure and buried it in Bedford County. I am trying to knock to treasure legends out here with one post.
But anyway you get the idea how this story is going to go. I am going to throw everything I have into TOME II, I guarantee it. Albert
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Post by kydave on Sept 2, 2008 21:13:08 GMT -5
Never heard of anything good coming out of that Magazine! I asked one of the owners once why he bought it? So he could travel around the world for free he said! Ha!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 2, 2008 21:26:05 GMT -5
;D WOW! You HAVE been busy! I kinda "sensed" a "con- nection" between the TWO; I kinda get a "sense" that Swift's Mines were "connected" to PIRATES... coming "in-land" to make CONTERFEIT "coins" for the "colonies". Those PIRATES (J. "SWIFT") were FREEMASONS, with "sailing experience" from the original KNIGHTS TEMPLAR "fleets", ALSO continuing in Kentucky, West Virginia (originally, part of VIRGINIA), Virginia; THEN... for the CSA TREASURY, North Carolina, Tennessee, South Carolina (FreeMasons)... GEORGIA. LOTS of "plugs" of SILVER, and SOME GOLD lying around; GEORGIA had "Cherokee GOLD" SOMEWHERE...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 3, 2008 6:43:38 GMT -5
;D STARBUCKS! Do you all know if the HOLY BIBLE (Books, Chapters, Verses...), was used to "hide" clues re. the Beale/Beall treasure? NOT on pages of paper, BUT! Using a Book "number", Chapter "number", verse(s) "number(s)" OR... using the Francis Bacon Cyphers/Ciphers? An example of the FIRST, would be JOHN 3:16 as: 4 (4th Book in the N.T.); 3 (3rd Chapter); 16 (16th verse)... 4, 3, 16. Just "google" FRANCIS BACON CIPHER(S) IN HOLY BIBLE to get the SECOND example.
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Post by kydave on Sept 3, 2008 6:58:14 GMT -5
My Dad worked with that idea of using the Bible for a while. Several people i've talked to over the years believe thats where the answer lies. As a general rule, the bigger the book, the harder it would be to decode! "But", theres the letter frequency method that will break about any book code!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 3, 2008 9:17:04 GMT -5
;D Would it be the OLD TESTAMENT... the NEW TESTAMENT... OR... THE JEFFERSON BIBLE... which is MOSTLY, the NEW TESTAMENT of JESUS' TEACHINGS, without the MIRACLES.
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Post by kydave on Sept 3, 2008 11:32:17 GMT -5
Your guess is as good as mine!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 3, 2008 13:59:15 GMT -5
;D Well... the OLD TESTAMENT could have been used for #1, and the NEW TESTAMENT could have used for #3... DUNNO.
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