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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 5, 2008 6:09:32 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 5, 2008 7:38:34 GMT -5
;D I did that 19'.5" walk; it comes back to the house... HA! NOW, I can be a SENTINEL, and "watch over it"... LOOK OUT "Buck" & "Bear"; REBEL is HERE!
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Post by kydave on Sept 5, 2008 13:01:37 GMT -5
Pssst! Check in and around the Cornerstones with a Detector! ;D
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Post by beale on Sept 5, 2008 19:26:12 GMT -5
rebel,
The house was not there when the treasure was buried. By that sign being old spanish it most likely was buried late 18th or early 19th century.
I received your snail mail. I would love to be there but right now I can not say for sure? Depending on weather and other things that could interrupt my field work. I really need to check those places out before the leaves come down and the snow and ice get on the ground---------if you know what I mean? Thanks anyway. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 6, 2008 5:22:21 GMT -5
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 6, 2008 6:17:01 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Sept 6, 2008 19:14:27 GMT -5
Nice weather reporting rebel. You going on the weather channel anytime soon?
I have thought of several ways to check out the story of the Beale Treasure to see if it was true and if it really did happen as the story goes. First, there were hundreds of newspapers being published at the time the treasure was buried, surely if 30 or more men disappeared or went missing for a few years someone would have noticed and printed the story. Some stories were wrote up even though the party later showed up a few months later. Now several old Virginia newspapers, even Kentucky had newspapers as well as two or three in Missouri. Thirty some men just do not disappear, families mailed them letters and vice-versa and they would have been reported.
What I am thinking is the Beale Party went to Kentucky and was mining this gold and silver. They may have even mined the found mines of Jonathan Swift. Beale did say he made large ascensions to his Indian help. It is not uncommon for people to make up stories even make up fictitious locations to keep others from knowing where they would be mining this gold and silver. There were plenty of Indians in Kentucky in 1818 and 1822. I think the Cumberland Gap and surrounding area of 60,000 acres still belonged to the Cherokee Indian. I am sure it was sold to Simon Kenton by John Singleton Mosby's grandfather. With gold and silver lying in this area and to the west and northwest of the Cumberland Gap, mass murder was still going on. On the Red Bird River named for Chief Red Bird who was friends with the white men----------he and his whole village was massacred by white men in a cave on the Red Bird River and the cave was sealed up. All I am saying is that this story can be checked out by newspapers of the day back then. Rebel do you have access to the Lynchburg papers? I think they are at the Jones Memorial Library. Why don't you read those papers from January, 1817 to about 1824. You may find something of interest.
I get carried away sometimes with these projects because I want to do more, I want to find out more and I don't have the time nor the access to items I need. If I had the materials I would certainly put the time in to check them out. You all have a great day and keep posting. Pay no attention to my wanting to know more. Thanks.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 6, 2008 19:31:59 GMT -5
Yeah, beale... I can check with JML; we DID find Sarah Morriss' "obit" in the Lynchburg paper of 1860 or so; PROBLEM is... NOT sure if they can "go back, that FAR". FLOODING in L'burg in earlier years DESTROYED a lot of "records". I WILL try, tho. Looking at the "time period" of Jan. 1817/Jan.1824... you would PROBABLY have ENGLISH, FRENCH, & SPANISH papers, in addition to "local Stuff" for pp, who COULD read. PROBABLY family "oral traditions" like Claudine in THE KEY, is the BEST... you're gonna find... DUNNO.
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Post by beale on Sept 7, 2008 16:47:40 GMT -5
rebel,
I would definitely check in the want ads or small captions about and inch or less------most miss these little things and all we need is one little tidbit to get the ball rolling.
I am going to go back and read the Lexington, Kentucky old papers they go back to the 1780's. Maybe a little something in there about a party of 30 headed west. All of these men would stop over at boarding houses or taverns along the way, there has got to be records somewhere.
I plotted over 2,000 acres of land in North Goose Creek. I plan on mapping all of the homes and businesses within a four or five mile area of Buford's Tavern before 1822. I have some dates that go back to 1766 and 1786. It will be interesting when I get all of this research together. It is hard plotting these maps from the old survey lines, county surveyors here in my county said it was not possible. Well I have been able to do the mapping and I plan on mapping all of it. I am also reading and recording WILLS a lot of information about families and their children are in them. If I don't write my TOME 11, I may put all of this research into a book to save others from having to do all of this time consuming work. It takes a lot of time. That 2,000 acres I have plotted is only five tracts of land ranging from 200 to 800 acres each, but the main thing is all the surveys fit all five together with the surrounding landowners and their names. I can now get their deeds and map their lands. Some deeds however do not have surveys, they just name each of the landowners that live around them on the north, south, east and west.
Just thought I would let you in on what I was doing. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 7, 2008 18:32:11 GMT -5
;D Will do... check BEDFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND ; chapter on "early surveys"; All THREE volumes. HUGE land grants, etc. THE EARLY DAYS: LAND GRANTS ALONG THE ROAD (GREAT WESTERN ROAD); THE EARLY DAYS: THE GENERAL AREA (WTHOUT THE ROADROAD); FORDS & FERRIES; BEDFORD COUNTY CROSSINGS ON THE STAUNTON RIVER. This will give you some "sense" of how it was, back then. IF... it was a "SPY EXPEDITION" to "case" the land owned by Spain, T.J., et al. MAY have "put a lid" on it... DUNNO.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 8, 2008 7:16:29 GMT -5
;D ("SUPER" smile) You can ALSO "google" LAND GRANTS, BEDFORD COUNTY, VA. - 1700's
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Post by beale on Sept 8, 2008 16:01:11 GMT -5
Rebel,
I could do it that way but that is the easy way. I am doing it this way so I can learn something about the people of the time 1817-1822. I find out how people that marry, they live in close proximity of each other. I learn names of brothers and sisters, and all the kin. I find some that passed away. You know if any of these people suddenly disappeared there would be several widows and I have found quite a few. Between 1822-1824 there were a lot of young men that died in this area and I want to pursue that also. I found one that died in 1822 but he was of old age. But, then others died in their early 30's to upper 40's and their widow lived on sometimes for 20 or more years. That is the ones I want to check out. Nothing can prove that these men were with Beale but they do give an indication of something happening to a lot of young men and this is unusual then there is every chance that the Beale Treasure could be buried near where some of these individuals died young. Just a though I had. I will also pursue other areas around Bufords, west towards Buford's Gap, east towards Taylor's Mountain and south towards Porter's Mountain and over in the Bore Auger Creek area south of that. It may not pan out but it something to do until I find something else. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 8, 2008 17:26:30 GMT -5
;D YEP!
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Post by kydave on Sept 8, 2008 21:03:53 GMT -5
Just a "quickie" before "Spiderman" gets after me! Maybe you guys can find this person out there, John Ingles a Va. insurance executive claimed to be related to TJB was working on the ciphers in 1927.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 8, 2008 21:12:42 GMT -5
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