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Post by Rebel KGC on May 29, 2005 7:58:04 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D tjb, I didn't know Peter gave u acknowledgement in "The Beale Treasure: New History of a Mystery"... (p.198)... HA! Tell folks on TN to "get-r-done!"
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Post by tjb on May 29, 2005 12:56:03 GMT -5
Sorry, Rebel, I responded on the other thread. Anyway yes Peter did. Also in two other of his books. Hope to see you soon. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by CHARLIE MASON on May 30, 2005 11:51:53 GMT -5
ALBERT, The last I heard Peter hasn't found the BEALE Treasure yet,so why is it importtant to have credit in a book that doesn't solve the mystery either. I know that some folks just can't seem to find any direction to this mystery except what they read in these forums,but, as for me, I for one, from my own examinations and research of the BEALE PAPERS,have found that the mystery is a lot deeper than you may think and will be relatively easily solved.It at times seems complicated but probably isn't.There is one thing that I do know though is that this mystery is not some cover-up to explain sudden wealth from some nefarious plan to steal the confederate treasury or sell spanish rifles or explain Jesse James missing loot. It is a game, A GAME WORTH THE CANDLE,PERHAPS,BUT STILL JUST A GAME!!!! SO WHY DO STILL WANT TO GO AND DIG UP HALF OF BEDFORD COUNTY AND SCREW UP THAT PRISTINE COUNTRY SIDE WITH A BUNCH OF MISSHAPEN HOLES? JUST CURIOUS ME BT CLODHOPPER
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Post by Rebel KGCYo on May 30, 2005 17:58:26 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: HAW! Peter HASN'T been looking for the DAMNED THING... he is just writing books,,, as an historian... AND! YES! It is beautiful, here in Bedford County... no holes seen by me (your "man" on the ground"... HA!) The "locals" love the $$$$ u TH bring... AND! the PISSED OFF ONES, are the ones who don't give permission for diggings... OTHERWISE... love da $$$$! IF U HAVEN'T FOUND IT... HA! "PISSED OFF LOCAL"...
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Post by tjb on May 30, 2005 21:37:10 GMT -5
David,
I for one still believe that the Beale Treasure Mystery has a real treasure to be found. Ever who was the author of the Job Print Pamphlet made a lot of mistakes in trying to throw the ciphers in there so everyone would get out and look for the treasure. If you salt a mine with gold nuggets, treasure hunters will dig up the hills all around trying to find more. That is what the author did. He gave everyone a distance from Buford's hoping someone would luck up and find it. I still believe it is out there to find. I don't even think about the ciphers anymore and I don't think about the mistakes the author made in bringing the story out to the public. My research has proven that something happened. I tried to prove the story was a hoax as many others have done, but as I dug deeper in my research I found too many clues that indicated that the story could be true. And that is where my studies will continue. I have made over 200 round trips of 90 to 110 miles each way to Bedford county and I will probably make as many more. Then I will turn my work; my research and the areas I have searched over to someone else and hope they will continue to search for it. I just believe it is still there and we can find it. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by tjb on May 30, 2005 21:39:50 GMT -5
Yo, Rebel!
Get ready our day is coming KGC or BEALE; one or the other we must find. See you soon. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by elwoodchaney on May 31, 2005 9:19:31 GMT -5
Speaking of looking for Beale... here is something that may interest someone:
Settlement, 1713 -- 1844
Two of the original settlers to the area, now known as Hyattsville, were John Beall and John Chittum, owners of large tracts, called New Dumfreeze and Black Ask, respectively. The exact location of these original parcels is unknown. The first documented improvements on either of these tracts occured on or about: September 3, 1713, when Laurence Morgan was granted permission by his son-in-law, John Chittum, to build on Black Ask. Subdivision of New Dumfreeze, along the forks of the Eastern Branch of the Potomac River by John Beall, began shortly thereafter. The small town lots were sold on December 12 and 13, 1728. Four months following the sale of the of the first town lots by Beall, John Chittum began selling land from his tract. This small developing area was called Beall Town(also seen as Beale Town), "in honor" of John Beall. By 1740, the town was essentially gone.
This does not, however, prove beyond a reasonable doubt, that this person or anyone else 'named as such'... has ever had anything to do with the creation of Beale Mystery.
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Post by Rebel KGC on May 31, 2005 10:28:10 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D U R correct, Mr. Chaney; AND! Back then, (pre-1776)... Virginia was a HUGE "state"... EVERYTHING "broken-up" into "shires" (like England)... AND! A few years ago... Bedford County Gov't even talked about going back to the "shires" concept of land-owner-ship... I thought they were DAFT! (NUTS!) I think the Beale name was used, 'cuz LOTS of pp with Beale surname STILL live here in Bedford County... AND Rockbridge County, Va... VERY, VERY "common" name... LGA!
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Post by tjb on May 31, 2005 18:48:21 GMT -5
Many thanks, Mr. Chaney and Rebel. I am glad that some are responding to messages instead of just reading. The other day 8 guest at one time and no message. Shame
There were a lot of Beale Towns or Beale Villes. One was outside of Washington, Penn. Another was near Frakes, Ken. All of the land in Washington, D. C. was owned by the Beale Family. Most of the land in Fredericksburg, Virginia and Baltimore, Maryland too. The Beale Family had a lot of descendants. I have traced their ancestors back to Chalmagne in the eight century.
During the time that Beale was said to have buried the treasure in Bedford County there was a lot of money coming into the US Treasury from land sales out West. The money could have come from this. I know that John Beall and Samuel T. Beall were in on the surveying and laying out of towns out West. Samuel is the one Peter Viemeister called S. T. Beale.
My Lewis and Clark Journals are at the library. Two more reals of microfilm newspapers will be in this week I hope to find out something from them. I wanted two older reals but they were already on loan. I can get them when they come back. Keep a looking Rebel I will be up there soon. I have to race this Saturday. They have a $3000. bounty on a driver up here. If we can out run him to the finish. Practice tomorrow. See you soon Rebel.
Mr. Chaney what happened to Tom. He had more on the Beale Family than anyone and he shared the least. Maybe he will come back.
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Post by tjb on May 31, 2005 18:52:26 GMT -5
Mr. Chaney or Elwood, which do you prefer. In your post about the Beale Family. That New Dumfreeze, is most likely Dumfries, Virginia. Maybe. I don't know about Black Ash. I know there was a Black Mountain Southeast of Lynchburg where the Beale Family was quite thick in those woods. I hope this helps. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 1, 2005 6:25:23 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D (drinking my "high-test coffee" - regular)... that is ok, tjb... BOUNTY? U mean, they have BOUNTY HUNTERS, over there? HA! Talk about living dangerously... u have suicidal ideations? HA! Was reading about the Great Road... Western Road... Irish Road... Lynchburg-Salem Turnpike... (NOW, RT. 460)... the ROAD was "maintained" by private landowners for their 'piece" of the road... often-time, became "overgrown"... like today's old forest trail roads in the mountains, Fed./Va. Parks... some, nothing more than deer/cow paths. and then, state of Va. hired "Surveyors", to plot out/maintain the ROAD in a consistent "manner"... Beale was stated to be a Surveyor somewhere, and I think he could have used today's Sharp Top Mountain as focus point (and Rebel Secret Service in the WAR (CW) to plot point of deposit... that being said... what I think happened is... Beale & party DID go West... to St. Louis, etc... per documentations on reels, that tjb alluded to... I do NOT think Beale and party brought back the treasure, due to the "conditions" of the ROAD... I think, THAT part of the "story" was made up, to confuse the enemy (CW)... today... we have have met the enemy... and it is US! HA! The "Super" is still "out there"... whether known as Beale Treasure, Super-Depository, Rebel Treasury... cannons... gun powder... gold/silver coins... jewels, etc... the FUN... is in the search; the Beale Codes? HA! maybe Reb Secret Service created em... and the other 2, not solved was originally meant... to drive "yanks"... and us, today... NUTS! HAW! HOAX? PARTIALLY...
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Post by tjb on Jun 1, 2005 18:30:26 GMT -5
Hey Rebel, . No, a bounty on a driver just means that you get a bonus if you can out run him cleanly to the finish. Other drivers tried Monday Night. They out ran him but he never finished so they did not get the bonus. We will try this Saturday.
As for the Super KGC, I believe it is North of Atlanta, Georgia. Another one near Savannah, Georgia. I have found where a railroad runs across a river. Now today there is no bridge, but on the other side of the river, the railroad runs in to a mountain. Today there is nothing but a large cemetery. Strange a railroad running into a cemetery don't you think.
I am still searching into the West and it's history. They said my microfilm came in today. I can't wait to look at it. I am also researching into Secretary of the Confedrate Treasury, Goeorge Alfred Trenholm. He had over 50 million in gold after the CW in his own money. He didn't have to rob the treasury. I do believe he concealed it for them and while they were waiting for the military governor to come out of power, Trenholm died, taking the secret of millions of Confederate Gold with him. His son invented the under water metal detector. The first to get a patent on one. Maybe it's under water somewhere? See you soon, Rebel. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 1, 2005 21:09:14 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here : ;D Good point, tjb... about the under water thingie... it MAY be, that the Reb $$$$$$$ was "deposited" in the James river... below the "Falls"... I would get a boat, like Anabel Lee out of Richmond, Va. & "scan" the James, somehow... dunno.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jun 2, 2005 5:35:07 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D (Drinking my "High-test", again... thinking profound thoughts... hey! tis raining outside... what else, am I'm gonna do? HA!). ANYWAY... to continue the under-water thingie.. "glub... glub"... ;D I would scan the James... all the way down south-east to the Bay... where Rebel Blockade Runners COULD HAVE "on-loaded" CSA $$$$$$ & Trenholm $$$$$$, and taken such to Bermuda... When Lee surrendered at Appomattox... Reb Naval forces saw fit to continue the War... and became BLOCK ADE RUNNERS... I would check sunken Reb Block Ade Runners... sunken Brit Block Ade Runners... up & down eastern seaboard... Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina... Bermuda... HECK! I would even check the Mississippi... for sunken CSA and "CopperHeads" River-boats... Gotta get some more "High-Test"... LATER...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 29, 2005 16:10:26 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Bedford Visitor Center had their 1st Anniversary thingie, today... free pop-corn.. apple cider... ANYWAY... met Rebel Navy re-enactor with Reb. ship model of SHENNADOAH ( my home Valley...); he knew Rebels continued the war, after Lee surrendered... was NOT aware of "missing Reb Treasury"... sunken block-ade runners off Eastern Seaboard... KGC... HA!
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