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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 16, 2009 20:00:41 GMT -5
;D oloren... gotta get a "cuppa HIGH-TEST" coffee (REGULAR)... BETTER! See "post" # 117 re. "house on horse trail". Johnson Orchard is on "Johnson Mountain"... south west of the Peaks of Otter, and WEST of FANCY FARM; BBC from UK, made a "Special" (TV), on the Beale Treasure "mystery" utilizing "actors" from Little Town Players (of Bedford), which included a lawyer, etc. I wasn't here, then... DRAT! ANYWAY, yes, Civil War "relics" are found in that area, because today's Rt. 43 NORTH, was the "escape route" for SOME of Gen. Dave Hunter's yanks, after they tried to invade Lynchburg, Va.; Gen. Jubal A. Early "REBELS" fought 'em off, and invasion failed. Gen. Early even chased SOME yanks WEST on today's Rt. 460 (THEN known as LYNCHBURG-SALEM TURNPIKE). I think SOME yanks went down today's Rt. 122 SOUTH towards Franklin County (home of Gen. Early). I heard, he came flying out like a "stirred up hornet's nest"... DUNNO.
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Post by beale on Nov 16, 2009 20:20:47 GMT -5
Reb, yes, JLO does it to me too! Beale, thanks for the comments. You bring up an excellent point. I had not heard that Clayton had spoken with the employees of Job Print. Where does that info come from? Now here's the question. I don't believe the Beale papers (the original papers from the trunk) ever existed... it was all dreamed up by Sherman. Conveniently, by 1885, all the direct witnesses (Morriss, his wife, the Buford tavern owners, etc.) had all died. Also conveniently, per the Hart Papers, the original papers were lost "in a print shop fire". The only fire ever reporterd (per extensive reading of the newspaper microfilms) was the 1883 event, where both the Virginian newspaper and Job Print were burned. TWO years before the booklet! And if the papers existed and were there, they were there for the booklet, and therefore there was no reason to keep them secret. So who else saw them? Where are the witnesses? In his visit to the print shop, does Clayton have anything to say about that? I wish you luck in your quest, but don't give up your day job. Yes, Ron, the original papers left by TJB did exist. If you have read Pauline Innis NEW Book which has a gold cover, she tells all about how she ended up with the story to write her article for ARGOSY Magazine and for here book, "Gold in the Blue Ridge" written in the early 1960's. I don't have a copy of either as I sold about all of my treasure books. But anyway if you will read George Hart's letters to Pauline Innis you will find out that his sister or kin that lived in southeast or southwest Roanoke (I can't remember which) but anyway they had the original iron box that was left with Robert Morriss. The 8 sheets of code papers had been removed by Newton Hazelwood a brother to the Otey that had the iron box and which was a sister to Clayton Hart's wife, daughter of Isaac Otey. Pauline Innis had this iron box when she wrote the book "Gold in the Blue Ridge" in 1964 (I think) early 1960's for sure. Anyway one day about six years ago I called Pauline Innis up and asked her about the two small pieces of paper that came from the iron box, I asked her was there anything else in the iron box, her reply call me back in a couple days and I will find out. "I WILL FIND OUT" meaning she still had the iron box. Pauline has since passed away, I have a copy of her obituary and it makes no mention of to whom her estate was left with but I will bet my last dollar the iron box is in her estate where ever that may be. Also you all are doing talk about the 1883 fire in Lynchburg, what about the 1885 fire in Bedford City-------you do know some companies expecially newspapers have small offices or printing offices in other cities. James Beverly Ward was known to own the old Wilkinson's mill near Paschal Bufford's church there about a mile east of Buford's Tavern. Don't you think Ward could have used a branch office office of the Job Print Company to print his books? Just my thoughts keep digging is all I can say because the dust has not settled on the Beale Treasure yet.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 16, 2009 20:53:14 GMT -5
;D The above by beale, is correct... I still have my "gold cover" paperback, and original hard copy of GOLD IN THE BLUE RIDGE. The fire in 1884 in LIBERTY, now known as Bedford city, did destroy MANY records; fortunately, MANY families kept THEIR "files" and copies of Bedford history WERE kept. BEST resource on Bedford County history is BEFORD VILLAGES: LOST & FOUND Vol. I, II, & III. Done by the DAR, and centered at the Bedford City/County Museum... it is a GOLD MINE! ;D
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Post by treasure1822 on Nov 16, 2009 21:23:23 GMT -5
Here's another question from this "Dam Yankee"...... Is it safe to say that most of the people who have looked for or is still looking to this day for the Beale Treasure baseing their clues on the family legacy's left by Beale, Morriss and Ward? I mean, do most of you believe that the answers are with their heirs?
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Post by kydave on Nov 16, 2009 22:52:32 GMT -5
Myself, it has always just been about the code numbers and trying to put them back in their correct order or sequence, but a few years ago i laid the pencil down and haven't picked it back up. Just interesting to listen and learn now. Have found better ways to waste my time and am pursing other hobbies and looking for easier treasures to find.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 16, 2009 23:33:14 GMT -5
Bro. kydave, LOL... T 1822, Robert & Sarah Morriss left NO heirs; NOT sure about Thom. J. Beale; J. Beverly Ward DID have heirs. I think it is a combination of ALL clues... The "BOX" is the "Job Print", with the "Beale Codes"... we are "thinking out-side da "BOX". The BIGGEST "clue" for me is THOMAS JEFFERSON; I am looking at the JEFFERSON NATIONAL FOREST... along the BRP, from Bedford County... NORTH. I "see" the 1862, "Confed- erate War" "clue", and remember that Lynchburg, Va. was HUGE...State capital of Virginia, BEFORE Richmond (CSA) fell, etc. I have "posted" MANY "findings" throughout the "The Beale Ciphers" Board; MUCH have been related to Lynchburg, Va. and it would be good to review "More Mysteries" Board, for RELATED "sites"/"things" of interest... ONLY at ROCKHOUND'S NEW TREASURE HUNTER'S FORUM! ;D BTW, check the BEALE TREASURE ROOTS on the MORE MYSTERIES BOARD.
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Post by kydave on Nov 17, 2009 8:54:39 GMT -5
Ha! Bro. Reb...Have had the DOI translated to French and Spanish, studied Thomas Jefferson and everything he has written, his code machine, Jefferson Bible, have David Kahn's The Code Breaker and every other code book i could find, surveying, lattitudes and longitudes, Indian languages, Latin, Buford's Island, Map Dowsing, Trig and all kinds of Mathmatics, have the code numbers on a roll that reaches all the way across my living room floor, charts, documents, the method that Albert used to get a solution and have some of his papers, talked with David Mason and shared ideas and he has some good ones i might add, Va. geology, maps, psychics, computer programs, the area 250 miles north of Santa Fe, Civil War in Va. Slide Rule, the "Prayer" in the DOI, have everything numbered backwards and forward and the list goes on, guess old TJB got my IQ raised a few points anyway for a person who never did like school!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 17, 2009 9:47:19 GMT -5
;D WOW! You did MORE than lay down da pencil... MAYBE, you oughta get with Albert on how to do a CD-Book, with all yer "experience". YET! Thom. J. Beale said to R. Morriss, the CODE was so easy, a "child could do it..."; CONFOUND IT ALL! BUT! A "thought" just occurred to me... WHAT is easy, "a child could do it"? IMAGINATION! Maybe, THAT is the KEY... now to convert to numbers, and "back again"... Naaahhh!
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Post by treasure1822 on Nov 17, 2009 15:33:37 GMT -5
LOL!!!!!!!! You guys are hillarious!!!!!!!! The last two posts gave me a great laugh, THANKS
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 17, 2009 19:40:37 GMT -5
;D Wife & I went on the BRP, today... she wanted to see THE GREAT VALLEY (over-look), and I wanted to see PURGATORY MOUNTAIN & PORTER MOUNTAIN (over-looks). We stopped at BLACK HORSE GAP, and I got out, and kicked a few BIG stones, "nosing about", where the bugle was blown to let Buford know how many ppl were coming for dinner/supper. Saw BOTH side of the OLD ROAD, wanted to go hiking; wife was with me, and COLD, so, couldn't... DRAT! ANYWAY, found about THREE I-BEAMS sticking out of the ground on WEST side, and about THREE on the other side; why 3 X 3? HA! ONE thing I remember is that treasures were buried under "re-inforcing rods" sticking out of the ground... MAYBE, I-BEAMS were used, too. It all FEDS, tho. We went on to Peaks of Otter, and passed Rt. 43, going NORTH, into Buchanon, and ONE day, I am gonna take the road on down to MONTVALE; Rt. 43 SOUTH, is at Peaks of Otter, going down into BEDFORD. Cloudy & cold day; passed 4 Rangers (in trucks) & "jumped" FOUR wild turkeys, who were trying to fly (across the road). NO to Thanksgiving, is the message, LEFT BEHIND!
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Post by kydave on Nov 18, 2009 11:10:37 GMT -5
Gotta have a little fun while racking our brain! ;D
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 18, 2009 13:03:07 GMT -5
;D Bro. kydave, YEP!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 23, 2009 9:30:50 GMT -5
;D STARBUCKS! STILL doing R & I on BLACK HORSE TAVERN; There are "two"; ONE formerly in Roanoke County, near Hollins University in the "flat-lands" (still standing), and ORGINALLY brought by John Bumpass Luck. He changed name to LUCK TAVERN... then BLACK HORSE TAVERN was name decided on for the one in Bedford County/BRP; NOTHING remains, but a USFS SIGN indicates the site (.08 mile from BRP), on the Bedford County side was where it was. NOW! I DO NOT know why the one in the "flat-lands" retained the name BLACK HORSE TAVERN; EXCEPT... it IS in "HORSE COUNTRY"! State of Virginia HORSE CENTER is nearby... and the girls from Hollins are BIG Horse(s) FANS! ;D John Bumpass Luck... a "distance" kin of Rev. George P. Luck; who WAS looking for the "site" for BLACK HORSE TAVERN, "all those years, ago". Well, THIS is it... ENJOY! forums.mtbr.com/showthread.php?t=530227 ;D And THAT! Is about how the "roads" were, back in 1819 - 1820 +.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Nov 24, 2009 10:27:26 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Nov 24, 2009 21:39:14 GMT -5
Rebel, I have been reading your post and would like to comment on some of them. First, there were 3 Black Horse Taverns. The third was about 3 miles from John B. Luck's to the SW I believe. I have been to all three locations. Only one that I know of had anything to do with TJB and unfortunately it is the one you did not mention. That is where Claudine found the letter addressed "Not to be opened until June, 1832" The letter was being delivered by George Radar Brugh and he and his companion were killed and buried at that tavern. They are putting up some townhouses there now or soon will. Ebenezer Nelms ran that tavern and he was TJB's partner and friend. TJB attended Ebenezer's wedding 1826 at the Peak's Presbyterian Church. So much treasure hunters do not know about this story. I wish I could put down on paper all of the story that is in my head but I would need a real good biographer. I know the entire story but just can not write it all down. I sure wish the landowners would let me dig up the treasure. This story has gone on far too long.
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