David
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Post by David on Sept 10, 2007 21:19:07 GMT -5
Beale
As I said above........I have no argument left in me.....Thy treasure awaits thee about 4 miles from Bufords in an excavation or vault six feet below the surface of the ground.........good luck in your search, you may run across Ponce DE Leon wandering the hill on his quest and also Coronado may be out there too. If you run across them be sure and say Buena's Dias for me.
Also if any one is interested I have a good deal on some Ocean front property in Arizona with a wonderful view of the sea from my front porch. Might be worth a few million but I will turn it loose for only $29.95. I lost the original title to this historical property back in '69 and also the copy of the title I had made in '72, but " Will" provide dozens of affidavits by reliable individuals including one from an ex governor of the state, (can't recall his name at the present) to any interested speculator/buyer. This is a great buy, wish I could remember the exact location of this land...but what the hell for this small investment I am sure you can find it. It's about 25 miles from Phoenix, up about 2000 ft. and surrounded by Cliffs that sparkle of gold in the setting sun and flash of silver under a full moon and the heavenly twinkling jewels called stars are brilliant at night.
For information call 1-800-555-1212
Anyone know where the term..."PIPE DREAM"...comes from.
smoke um if you got um
just on the lighter side of un-sane tonite
David the doubter
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Post by beale on Sept 12, 2007 5:15:54 GMT -5
It's good to know David that you have 15 to 20 friends that you can get to lie and swear out an affidavit before God and the laws of this land. You need to keep as many of those friends around as you can.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 12, 2007 6:50:26 GMT -5
Yo! Pipe dream? What's in yer pipe? Must be STRONG stuff... U have ALSO solved the mystery of the "Phoenix Lights"... UFO's... or "sparkle of gold in the setting sun and flash of silver under the full moon..."; "roadkill, USA" (from previous post...)... ANOTHER "put down" of us living in the country... and, where do YOU live?
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Post by David on Sept 12, 2007 10:17:22 GMT -5
As always Rebel your post makes a Farthing worth of cents
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David
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Post by David on Sept 12, 2007 13:29:45 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Beale aka Albert Atwell, It is obvious from our recent communications on this thread, in the classic words from the Movie, “COOL HAND LUKE”. “What we have here is a failure to communicate...” You begin this thread by a short introduction to a new book, “The Beale Treasure, The Key” by Claudine Ellis....with a very short narrative of it’s contents. You follow up on this post with a query....Why no interest has been generated about this book because it makes “The Beale Papers Pamphlet” a real story and thereby makes the Treasure a Real Thing. In my own Pragmatic Way, I responded to this query....wanting validation about a key claim, pointing out that others have books, writings, essays and so forth claiming a key or solution...pointing out the claims of finding this key in a box, in a bible or by a wandering hobo gave it to them...so forth and so on.. I also named a few individuals that came to mind who have in the past claimed a solution to the ciphers in one form or another....and you are one of these individuals. Extraordinary claims of this nature to be believed require extraordinary proof. The proof presented by your posts is....She (not the author Claudine Ellis) found the key in 1939, by your words it appears to have been lost or misplace until 1947. Now she the original finder of this Key has passed away with out the Key becoming public knowledge and it has since been lost...but the author of this book traced the Key to a Computer expert in Washington D.C. but she was unable to get his name. With pragmatism in mind, I wrote in response to you a parody of the information you provided in defense of this Claim about a Key, a treasure and a story. You cited 16 signed and notarized affidavits. You will take these affidavits on faith without proof. I offered the same in my parody and you immediately call my friends liars and insinuate I am a thief and a liar also. I won’t take exception to this because I made an assumption that all would understand that claiming “Ocean Front Property In Arizona” was a fictional tale, did in jest, and was not true. I forgot there are a few people out there that would buy the Brooklyn Bridge if enough affidavits were provided to show the seller is the owner. Luckily you and Rebel both realized the property could not be on the ocean so saved us all embarrassment. One more word about Notarized Affidavits................A notary only certifies the identity of the signer, not the contents of the affidavit.............If 16 individuals can sign a NOTARIZED LEGAL document which says they saw a key, know the key is real from personal knowledge. Now it would be worth while to interrogate these individuals about what they saw and have knowledge of. What ever little bit of information they could provide about the contents of this key would go a long way in validating a Key Claim. Is this information provided in this book in question? David, really in doubt....
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Post by beale on Sept 12, 2007 16:18:17 GMT -5
David,
There were 16 separate and different affidavits all were signed according to what they witnessed as part of this story. Even Mr. Mrs. Howell that now owns Buford's Tavern signed one. As did the last Buford that owned the property of Buford's Tavern. They swore affidavits as to what they saw and witnessed and all verifies Claudine telling the truth.
I have no problem with this and I will continue to check it out. Sorry to ruffle your feathers but you were taking a hypothetical situation and saying you could get as many to sign affidavits. That doesn't seem ethical to me if anyone signs such a document it is an untruth and untruths are lies. That is all I was saying as for the other names I did not say them. I can't quote them because now I can't find them?
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Post by beale on Sept 13, 2007 16:42:01 GMT -5
Hi fellas, I am informing posters that I am going to get away from the computer for the next month and try to recover a treasure------maybe the Beale we will see. I will check back at intervals but I am mostly getting away from posting for a while. It really takes the time off the clock.
See you in few days or so.
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Post by Not An Option on Sept 13, 2007 22:26:27 GMT -5
Hi fellas, I am informing posters that I am going to get away from the computer for the next month and try to recover a treasure------maybe the Beale we will see. I will check back at intervals but I am mostly getting away from posting for a while. It really takes the time off the clock. See you in few days or so. For the record, after all your research and secrets/codes you've supposedly solved for a whole surfeit of missing treasures (some fictional,some not), have you ever actually found any treasure?
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Post by beale on Sept 14, 2007 5:13:17 GMT -5
For the record, yes I have found lots of treasure. Mostly for other people and some for doublecrossing partners. What is your hobby do you find any treasures or just ask questions when you think someone is gone away?
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Post by David Mason on Sept 14, 2007 11:21:48 GMT -5
For the illustrious "NOT AN OPTION" You pose an interesting question to Beale about finding treasure. But let me ask you, " What is your difinition of treasure?" Is it something like the treasure of Mel Fisher reclaimed from the Spanish Galleon ATOCHA? Or the Gold coins from the SS Republic? An original copy of the Declaration of Independence was recently discovered, "Is this a Treasure?" A journal written by a pioneer travelling the Oregon Trail recounting the journey recently was found, "Is this a treasure?" Metal Detector enthusiasts regularly find gold coins, silver coins, copper clad pennies...Old nails, tin cans, pop tops and artifacts from years gone by...are these treasures? What is treasure? In my case, a few years back while going through some old papers, I discovered a scrap book compiled by a Sailor aboard the USS UTAH between the years 1928 and 1931. Included in this scrap book is a Christmas Card signed by President Herbert Hoover and his wife. This card is dated December 1928. Individually the componets that make up this scrap book have very little value, but collectively they are of some historical value. Would you consider this a treasure?...The USS UTAH is now a rusted hulk located at Ford Island, Pearl Harbor Hawaii, a victim of Dec. 7th 1941. The scrap book was given (donated) to the Pearl Harbor Arizona Museum for restoration and display. Artifacts from a time long past never to be again. The individual who made this scrap book was also a survivor of the Arizona sinking and later went to the South Pole with Admiral Byrd on operation High Jump in 1947. Memorobilia from this expedition...would this be treasure. In defense of Beale.......numberous times on this forum and others he has posted information he has discovered...about treasure......Isn't information a treasure of sorts? Input requires output....... Try some input other than ??'s some time. So what is the difinition of treasure??? David
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Post by Rockhound on Sept 14, 2007 19:29:48 GMT -5
Gentlemen, gentlemen please... I see the conversation's getting a little tense so may I just interject a few little comments of my own here? Albert: I can see how you might interpret 'Not An Option's post as being of the "What the Hell do you know" kind of question, but perhaps it might also have been regarded as a legitimate enquiry as to your credentials based on the number of posts you've made and the authority you display in your prose! That being the case, then perhaps your reply might have been an opportunity for you to showcase your experience to an interested newcomer. I think personally I would have gone with the latter and taken his/her interest as a compliment and replied accordingly! I'm a glass half full kind of guy! (this is a totally untrue statement but if I admitted that I'd be a despicable hypocrite... aw dammit!!)David: I notice you also regarded said poster's question in a similar light. Perhaps you are both correct, perhaps not, nevertheless I feel it's always better to approach these things in a positive manner instead of pandering to the lowest common denominator, ie getting into a slanging match with newbie naysayers, if that's what they turn out to be! (Singing "I'll take the high road and you take the low road...")---------------------------------- Now David, when you asked about the origin of the phrase "Pipe Dream" you struck a chord with me! I'm one of those anally retentive types who just have to get to the bottom of linguistic quandaries such as this. (no pun intended) So far all I've found are the following... This site suggests that the phrase originated in America in the 1800's www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/283700.htmlWikipaedia seems to echo this view: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pipe_dreamThe following sheds little light on the subject but is worth saving for future reference... www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Pipe+dreamFinally, although I found nothing of value here I would highly recommend a visit to: www.theanswerbank.co.uk/I hope that was helpful/entertaining. Your friend, Gordon (Rockhound) PS. I know you won't see this for some time Albert so when you do, I hope you had a pleasant break and look forward to your return.
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Post by David Mason on Sept 14, 2007 20:04:31 GMT -5
Hey Gordon.....
You got it............Hooka Hooka...smoke em if you got um
Gold in the Blue Ridge, a Pipe Dream,it must be the air in Virginia or pollutants coming out of that old chimney purported in a picture to be of Bufords somewhere around Montvale.
Just my time of the month
later David
(good to see you are alive and well)
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Post by charlie mason on Sept 15, 2007 10:53:36 GMT -5
hey gordo,,
the term pipe dream is actually Greek or Turkish in origin from expressing all those lotus smokers and the dream state caused by the opium or hash effect.they used hookahs if you are interested ..Arthur Conan Doyle was a famous pipe smoker as well was lewis Carroll as he wrote of caterpillars and hookahs in Alice in wonderland.but it all goes back to the Greek if you read the story of Odysseus return from the Trojan war or the Hercules encounter with the women of the Isle of Lesbos and the lotus eaters you will find in both tale references to pipe dreams from smoking that stuff.. have a good day bt clodhopper
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Post by Not An Option on Sept 16, 2007 8:43:08 GMT -5
I can see how you might interpret 'Not An Option's post as being of the "What the Hell do you know" kind of question, but perhaps it might also have been regarded as a legitimate enquiry as to your credentials based on the number of posts you've made and the authority you display in your prose! Master Rockhound has my query correctly - it is the latter interpretation. I'm a skeptic at heart and while I'll come to most things with an open mind, armchair experts on messageboards claiming to have cracked hundred year old codes and know the locations of millions of dollars of treasure, well, extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. In this case, some examples of treasure you've actually found would do the job marvellously. Note however I'd expect some degree of proof, saying "I found a bagful of golden Spanish reals but they were stolen by my treasure hunting partner and his pet raccoon so I don't have them" wouldn't cut the mustard. Having said that, time to make some responses. My hobby isn't being a treasure hunter, but this shouldn't mean I can't express an opinion on the validity of treasure hunter claims. If you believe this is the case, well, for the record, one of my hobbies IS cryptography (which brought me to this board in the first place) and that hobby would then justify my skepticism of what you believe was a solution to the Beale ciphers. I have done considerable reading on the subject myself and I believe the Beale cipher was much like the Da Vinci code - something made up to sell a lot of books/pamphlets. I have no doubt there are family trees detailing people who lived with the same or similar names in same or similar locations (both for Da Vinci and Beale) but this alone doesn't form convincing proof. Analysis of both the code and the explanatory text that comes with it has revealed inconsistencies I'd consider fatal to any assumption this is all one large genuine treasure hunt. I consider this somewhat a major concern. If I have my facts straight, beale is actually raffling off shares in the Beale treasure when it's discovered (as part of his book sales) - this suggests he's more confidant than not that he can and will discover the treasure (and/or break the Beale code.. which I believe he's stated to have done before). People who haven't researched as much on the Beale codes might quite happily invest in such a scheme without understanding the probability of such a discovery. Even if one thought the treasure did exist and was possibly recoverable, I wouldn't think a genuine treasure hunter would have difficulty providing a list of previously recovered treasures to support the validity of some of his claims. I know if I showed up on here and said "I'm great at finding treasure, and I know where to find another, who wants to buy shares in my expedition?" I'd expect to have to answer some tough questions before people got their chequebooks out. And talking of treasure, I'm not going to get into semantic games. I'm sure the very noble historic worth of some documents and events is heart-touching, but if you're hunting for millions of gold bars and you find an old boot and some pen nibs from the right time period, you haven't found a treasure. It's fantastic that you're taking the time to research local history of the era, perhaps even make some imaginative leaps to recreate events as you believe they occured - it's a wonderful hobby, but this isn't treasure hunting, and it certainly isn't code-breaking either. Remember, messageboards are created to provoke ideas and responses. If you have a problem with people commenting on your comments, you probably shouldn't be posting them on a messageboard. I know I certainly welcome any feedback and/or criticism of my posts. Yrs Faithfully, Not An Option.
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Post by beale on Sept 16, 2007 11:09:20 GMT -5
Not an Option,
You ask for feedback or criticism? Let me see you say you are a cryptology expert of sorts, why don't you post some of your findings about the Beale Codes?
In your last post in the third paragraph you make a claim saying that I am raffling off shares in the Beale Treasure for my books that I am selling. Where did you read that? I was only offering shares in the CSA Treasury which I located ten years ago not the Beale Treasure. I said I hope to try and recover the Beale Treasure after I recover the CSA Treasury. And for sure I have found the CSA Treasury. It is not being recovered because of not being able to get permission from the landowners which is the City of Danville itself.
I am not criticising you this is only feedback, but I hope you read more closely to what others are posting before posting about them. This could get others posting inaccurate assumptions and it could tailspin out of control.
Lay some of your cyrptology on us.
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