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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 24, 2007 19:09:34 GMT -5
HA! What a JOKE!!! Stupid does... as Stupid is...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 24, 2007 19:13:43 GMT -5
HA! SOMEONE is blocking my "post"... stooping to pre-2004 level now, hmmmm?
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Post by David on Sept 24, 2007 19:39:58 GMT -5
Rebel Your two posts above makes my point exactly.... but by the way did you or did you not express your concerns about someone picking on the handicapped.......hummm seems a little bit of Janus is showing through here. DUH! I bet its cool to not only see where you are going but where you been all at the same time....... ;D David
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 24, 2007 20:48:31 GMT -5
Well, you see... MY two disabilities are REAL... do you know if the "author" of the BEALL PAPERS has such? OR.. is it you? What IS your "POINT", exactly? How is your web-site doing? Haven't been there lately...
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Post by kydave on Sept 24, 2007 20:58:43 GMT -5
Ha! Ha! Ha! Great story David! You missed your "callin"! I would say there's a lot of talent being wasted on this Beall thing! I don't post much anymore because it seems everything that can be said has been about the matter. Myself, I still believe that if the numbers can't be changed or rearranged, theres nothing there, no matter what the story line is.
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Post by David on Sept 25, 2007 11:45:26 GMT -5
Thanks for the Kind words Kydave,
It seems at least you understand the theme of my post...A LOT OF TALENT IS BEING WASTED ON THIS BEALL THING.
"The Beale Papers" are "The Beale Papers"...to say the author of The Beale Papers got it wrong is like saying Mark Twain did not write "The Adventures of Tom Sawyer" but was really writing about "The Adventures of Billy Bob Smith", ....Mark Twain got it wrong..........and I found the geneology to prove it. and it wasn't about a teen age boy but about a deer hunter on the Colorado River in a Kayak Twain just changed the story to keep the game warden away....
Kydave.......the codes interact with each other....their position in the codes determine what their value is.............go to page 26 of Ron Gervais site Beale Cipher Analysis....I posted with him a short writing about a Method used to find EAP..........This method can be expanded to find other things that are the start of a possible solution. It is simple and concise and after understood cannot be refuted...as you will see if you work with it. Then you will understand why all this other stuff Beall and such are not applicable in any shape or form...........The Beale Papers are a game and it is a game of logic something like in The Movie National Treasure.......One clue leads to another
Here is a for instance...........in the Beale Papers, "....in 1862, the second year of the Confederate War,..." Seems clear cut........1862, the second year of the civil war.....Right?
questions......find any reference to the War Between the States where it is referenced in any writing as The Confederate War.. Next find a reference to any war the US had that is referred to as The Confederate War. Then find the date of the second year of that war Find within the Beale Papers any date that would match the second year of that war.......What originated that year, who was born, how long was this thing effective, what replaced it, what was Morriss' instructions concerning keeping the box..how many years, what happened after this 2nd year in the time frame connected with keeping the box, what are the first three sets of numbers of BC3, what do they connect to. Concerning this clue what is the connection of Robt. Morris, Esq. vs. Robert Morriss
The first thing to understand is The Beale Papers are a game, a quiz, a puzzle......it has a diffinite solution, everything needed to find that solution is in THE BEALE PAPERS. Once it is understood you are dealing with a puzzle or game...answers will start to appear to help you understand it. If you disbelieve Well stick with Beall and Thomas JEFFERSON Beale.
Enough.........David Mason
What say thee.........Janus
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Post by elwoodchaney on Oct 1, 2007 22:52:06 GMT -5
"U-H-h-m-m"... actually, David...
The "Confederate War" had nothing to do with the 'American' Civil War. Confederates are simply those in opposition.
According to 'Wikipedia'... the use of the term "Confederate War"... which is exactly the term used... is in reference to the Irish 'Confederate Wars'... better known as the "Eleven Years War."
I only find this important, in the use of the number '11'... which is indicative as the numbers to the 'left' of the numbers: 1 76 + 1 146 (dec + nov)as found in the Declaration of Independence. The numbers to the right: 6 + 6 lead you to the word---- "Treasure" in the book: The Divine Comedy It is also the designation of the old Virginia Road--- Rt.11
Sleep tight y'all... don't let the Boo-gey Man get 'ya!!!
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Post by David on Oct 2, 2007 11:08:11 GMT -5
Well Wildcard Chaney,
Always nice to see your are back in town....However quit scimming over the posts and read what they say...
I Said.... The Confederate War has nothing to do with the Civil War or at least that is what the questions I was posing amounts to... The Revolutionary war for the first two years 1776--1778 was a Confederated War and was referred to as such.
Don't know about the 11 year war or the Irish, I can truefully find no connection....Is BEALL an Irish name?
But good to have you back E. C.
Later
David
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Post by elwoodchaney on Oct 2, 2007 19:31:31 GMT -5
Guess I should have posed my response differently, because you are correct in every aspect. My only response though, is that every 'search engine' I have opened, still only lists under "Confederate War"... the Eleven Years War, of the English fight against the Irish. All the others are: REVOLUTIONARY, SECESSION, and INDIAN. And "YES"... they are considered to be Confederate, but 'not' listed as a Confederate War.
Now... I only responded, because Charlie contacted me the other day, asking why I hadn't participated in any of the discussions.
The answer is simple! I have 'all' the answers that "I need."
And besides that... what good does it do me to participate!
NOBODY... pays attention to my postings, anyhow.
Remember 'way-back' how this whole thing started. I posted the message that I had answers to the Beale mystery... and you responded. THAT... started all of this! In the time that followed:
I showed everyone 'who'(with the help of the Longfellow Society) was responsible for the creation of the Beale mystery. Did anyone respond(even yourself) or care. "No!"
When I showed everyone how to 'decipher' the complexities of the cipher #2 Message. Did anyone respond or care? "No!"
When I showed everyone the 'true location.' Did anyone respond or care? "No!"
When I showed everyone what the treasure really is and the reason for the creation of the mystery. Did anyone respond or care? "No!"
David, you've seen the information from my manuscript. Has anyone ever told you as much information about this mystery, as I have? You know they haven't. They're not even close! You and Charlie know it.
So, you see, David... I have absolutely "NO REASON" to participate... and I won't. My only reason for doing so recently, was out of courtesy to Charlie.
I stopped before because of being "accused" of 'posing' as some of the others making outlandish statements. When it was 'found out' that it was'nt me... did anyone do anything to correct the accusation and clear me of any wrong doing? "No!" Or having what postings I did make "censored" because the person in charge of the forum didn't like what I had to say and only wanted their point of view, to be heard. Yes, I'm referring to "the Good-'Ole-Boys" trying to 'resurrect' the 'alleged' lost Glory of the South.
As I just said... I can go back to sitting on my back-porch--- sip a cup of coffee--- watch the clouds go by--- and be very content in the knowledge of this mystery that I have obtained. All the while knowing... that "I TRIED"... but nobody cared or wanted to change their position. Or even acknowledge mine.
E.C.
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Post by David on Oct 2, 2007 20:49:54 GMT -5
Hey Elwood...this Bud's for you.
Like I said,it's always good to see you post.
About what you post and people paying attention, well it seems I have the same problem. Don't know if what I write is not understood or if it is because it is contrary to their belief in a treasure and it turns them off I will probably never know. The only comments about any thing I have ever been able to solicit is good info, interesting or maybe intriquing.....never any input about it that would assist in anyway......... so I can understand your frustration about your posts.
Perhaps if we put out information like a paint by numbers painting where no thought about it is necessary we could get a response but I don't know if that would work...The lure of a possible treasure is a powerful factor for some.
I personally do not know who wrote The Beale Papers...Maybe you are right and maybe you are wrong, I can't really say..
I only know this........The Beale Papers are a game or that is my belief and that there is an answer to the Beale Ciphers. See Ron Gervais' Website...Beale Cipher Analysis....Page 26...Method of Encryption
Any way don't let this all be frustrating.......It's still fun and all the clear answer to questions about it have not been made...YET!
David Mason
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Post by TOMm on Oct 2, 2007 21:17:19 GMT -5
Hello all gents and maids mr. and mrs.
I thought i would drop by and let you all know that the iron box
was buried by thomas jefferson .
it contains The VerY First declaration of independence and the very first CONSTITUTION OF THE US
along with a lead box containing the last stamps of the tea tax
it contained the very first dies and coins that were stamped in the US of A.
the agents name was rene xxxxxx
The person that made the codes was AL . G
now think if they were shipping that stuff then they need a shipper either moving by boat or by wagon . didnt they want to exchange to save weight ?. who was that shipper that took on the move of trreasure.
Answer: actually there were two, one by boat and one by wagon
SHERMAN AND WARD 1784-86 who was the indians who helped them? you can get this info from the documents afore mentioned. .69<<<<< the blank space then 71, 80. is a part not the start.
TOMm PS the iron box is or was a safe
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Post by elwoodchaney on Oct 4, 2007 14:30:18 GMT -5
David, old friend... (In your 'Reply #52 on Oct.2, 2007) * * I recently stated that I would no longer 'be active' in any of the forum discussions... and this I will stand by. But 'this' posting I feel is legal, in that, it is a continuation to a response.
As in the movie, "National Treasure"... written by Jim Kouf(a Mason, well versed in cryptography)... you get a 'clue' and 'link-by-link'... it leads you to the conclusion. The same way applies to our discussion about the use of the term, "Confederate War." At the time, I could only associate it with Rt. 11... but still there was something about the 'timing' of the Confederate War, that I just couldn't put my finger on. Being a 'student' of History... I was perplexed about it.
Then it came to me... the Confederate War (The Eleven Years War) 1642-1653, involved the "3" Kingdoms of Ireland, Scotland and England. But this only occured, because of the Irish Uprising, in October of... "1641."
The 'date'--- 1641, brought to mind, something I had come across many years ago, in my cryptological research... John Wilkin's "Mercury: Or the Secret and Swift Messenger" (1641)
When I had first seen this, many years ago... it instantly brought to mind, the Moorish Arch(40 ft high/50 ft long) that Townsend had built on his estate, that had a large statue of the God- MERCURY, imbedded in the front of the Arch.
That's all I have to say on the subject.
And David... also within that posting, you used the word: "truefully" Bad choice, old friend! It doesn't exist. Better choice would have been: "truly" or "truth-fully"
Elwood
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Post by David on Oct 4, 2007 16:23:04 GMT -5
Ah Elwood.......
We all can't be perfect......truely...truefully......truthfully.........If that was the worst I had ever done I would be discombobulated the rest of the week.
The timing of The Confederate War was 1776---1778, the year Robt. Morriss was reportedly born.
And the Confederate war involved.....13 colonies of The United States and England
But anyway...........A Man's gonna do, What a Man's gonna do.
It's True---fully I am having fun irregardless of OPO's.
Just Me............David, the Dilettante
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Post by elwoodchaney on Oct 4, 2007 18:25:35 GMT -5
David...
You know how it is--- being a 'heavy reader' and having a wife who is a 23 year Proof-reader, you just notice things like that. Hell! she often calls me here at home and asks for my in-put and assistance.
When I lived in Hagerstown... my front-yard was often turned into a discussion and teaching class-room. Only because there wasn't room in the house, to do it.
Wish I could re-count to you how many of my 'yard pupils' related to me that I was denying my true calling... to be a 'teacher.' Even Sharon says so, now. But after I lost my chance to go to "The Brevard Institute of Space Technology" because my Dad became ill... I just lost all will to progress beyond my present status. Know what I mean! If I could, I'd add another room to the house... just to house all of the books we have. Thousands of them! Its like a small Library in here. As Charlie... he saw them. I really need to clear my desk off so I can try to find my favorite smoking pipe. I'm sure its under all of the crap on there, some-where.
So... you boys just keep at it! and I'll see you around. OK!
Elwood
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Post by beale on Oct 21, 2007 6:30:22 GMT -5
Claudine Ellis was to have a book signing at Appomattox last Sunday but came down with a bad case of bronchitus. When I find out of her upcoming booksignings I will let you know.
According to Mrs. Ellis' book, the Beale Treasure was indeed fact. The treasure however may have been removed to several locations that are given in her book. I have been patiently checking these locations out. There are other small treasures in the area, as soon as I can recover all of the smaller treasures then the larger ones such as the Beale Treasure will be easier to locate and find. I will keep you posters up to date. Have a great day.
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