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Post by beale on Sept 16, 2007 11:15:09 GMT -5
For the record, yes I have found lots of treasure. Mostly for other people and some for doublecrossing partners. What is your hobby do you find any treasures or just ask questions when you think someone is gone away? rockhound, Where in this post do you read I was asking, "What the Hell are you talking about?" All I ask was what Not an Option's hobby was or has he found any treasure? I can not interpret your explanation of my post?
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Post by beale on Sept 16, 2007 11:41:30 GMT -5
For the readers information I have been to Bedford City two of the last three days. Research is not cheap it is expensive in photocopies, gas, wear and tear on one's vehicles and themselves also with the prices of gasoline and eats these days.
When a person sells a story or research it is this investment that he or she is trying to recoup some of the funds for? Not trying to take some poster's money for unfounded research or a treasure that may or may not exist. Some of my research has taken over 22 years to acquire surely that is worth something. At one stretch in 1989 I made over one hundred round trips to Bedford and back-----a journey of just over 85 to 110 miles depending on driving time on back roads once you get there. This alone is over 10,000 miles of driving not accounting for other amenities. Now you take the CSA Treasury in Danville Virginia in 1997 I made at least one trip every day for the entire year sometimes two or three--------over 365 round trips of 80 to 100 miles again depends on driving around town once you get there----------about 35 to 37,000 miles of driving.
Then there are trips I have made to Mississippi, Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, West Virginia, Tennessee, Kentucky as well as Maryland and Pennsylvania. Treasure hunting and treasure researching is not easy and it certainly is not cheap. I am out there driving, investigating, searching metal detecting and asking family and relatives of lost treasures about the facts and the myths.
That is what my books are all about, if others out there don't want to read stories of exciting hunts and encounters of the bizarre with a little of the unknowing elements throwed in then they should get out in the field and make things happen themselves. Just like a scout in war, I am on the front lines seeking in hopes of finding treasure and lots of it. Others can sit at home think about treasure, maybe dream about treasure or just criticize others for trying to make trips of this sort possible by telling of their exploits. Myself I would rather hunt (Seek and ye shall find) or as in military language seek and destroy.
I have encountered bears at night searching for the Beale Treasure. I have encountered mad angry bulls in the fields and sometimes angry landowners but most of them respect others as long as you respect them. Then there are some I don't believe they should be left along by themselves let alone with their families. One time I had an eighty year old truck driver pull a pistol on me as I was parked in a pullover beside of the highway. You just can't argue with people that are that much out-of-tune with reality.
No matter the criticism or what others post, I will continue to do things my way. I will not alter or change course to go around them, for the most part I try to ignore them but some are like the devil themselves and are hard to avoid. But I will continue on.
Friday I checked deeds and Wills all day well half a day the other half I had to work. Friday night I was reading these deeds and Wills. Late Friday Night I was on the computer looking at topomaps, even though the roads have changed and the names of the creeks have changed, I was still able to locate the property that was on a deed and in his father's will in 1837. Pretty good detective work I think.
Saturday, I was on the land I was searching for trying to find a cemetery with headstones trying to locate my prey I was searching for. No luck though, but it wasn't two days wasted, I have located the land and it's boundaries. I found an old homestead, I believe to be the oldest home still standing in Bedford County---------three of four huge oaks are still standing and they are over five feet in diameter which makes them about 400 to 500 years old. One stump remains and was recently cut someday when I am back there I will count the rings to confirm age of trees. I took photos but haven't developed them yet. I met several interesting individuals that live in the area and I have made appointments to see a couple of them again. Not too much wasted time. I sure hope others can see that a lot of work goes into this. I do not simply set at my computer and watch the time pass away.
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Post by David on Sept 16, 2007 16:37:14 GMT -5
FOR NOT AN OPTION...... Not an Option writes.... ...well, for the record, one of my hobbies IS cryptography (which brought me to this board in the first place) and that hobby would then justify my skepticism of what you believe was a solution to the Beale ciphers. I have done considerable reading on the subject myself and I believe the Beale cipher was much like the Da Vinci code - something made up to sell a lot of books/pamphlets. Your hobby is cryptography....On the site www.angelfire.com/pro/bealeciphers/Page26.htmis a bit of a method used within The Beale Ciphers. I would appreciate you going to this site, scroll down to the item about a method of encryption found, down load it, study it for a bit and comment on it. May fit into your hypothesis about origin and purpose. David Mason
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Post by Not An Option on Sept 16, 2007 22:51:14 GMT -5
You need to read more carefully. Rockhound was saying MY comment could be either a genuine attempt to inspect your credentials or to ask "What the Hell are you talking about?".
Also, you've made it clear treasure hunting/site exploration/genealogical research is a hobby of yours, and one you're obviously very interested in (hence the years and thousand of miles invested in it), but this doesn't mean you're morally entitled to 'recoup' your losses with misleading statements. It's fine to sell your research and stories, of course. Making sales with statements such as "I have found the CSA treasury and someone will get a share of the millions when it's recovered" or "this book will lead you to gold" are going to need a heckuva lot of proof, or at least qualification (e.g. "this book could lead you to gold", and "I believe I have discovered the CSA treasury, which may be worth millions of dollars, if recovery is possible"). Talking in absolutes ('I have solved the Beale ciphers') without corresponding proof weakens your credibility.
If you have a genuine problem with people asking for you to prove your statements, I'd suggest you only make statements you can prove or phrase your statements more carefully ("I believe I have located a lost treasure" as opposed to "I know where lost treasure is").
Finally, cryptography. I won't re-invent the wheel by detailing the full extent of the Beale cipher's problems, but over the next few days I'll post some issues that prompted my skepticism.
Regards NAO
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Post by VideoBuyer on Sept 18, 2007 12:24:32 GMT -5
Albert,
I am curious about a couple of things...
1. I don't expect an answer here, but how are you able to get by spending so much time treasure hunting??? You seem to have a lot of expenses and not any time to earn $$$... plus, NAscar must cost some $$ too... maybe you have a pension or investments, but then again, that's your personal business...
2. I'm confused... you seem to be seeking out the location of the Beale treasure again..... I thought you had already found it 5 years ago with Joe D. when you were looking for an investor..
3. Speaking of which, the $$$ needed from the investor wasn't a huge amount considering it's now been five years.. Instead of treasure hunting, you could have taken a job even at McDonald's for part -time for the last 5 years and had the money that you were looking to get from an investor....
So, I guess my question is why you are now apparently looking for another location when you had already found the treasure location 5 years ago.
Video Buyer
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Post by beale on Sept 18, 2007 18:53:18 GMT -5
Videobuyer,
Good to hear from you again.
First of all that was Joe D.'s location. The process he used on the videotape to decipher the codes worked. Some of the code was scrambled a letter to two off sometimes but they were all there out of document that was made before 1819 and ratified by Congress in 1819. THE ADAMS/ONIS TREATY OF 1819
It was another one of those doublecross cases. I helped Joe for two years some of things I did was unbelivable I can't tell anyone what they were. Anyway. I found an investor out of Arizona for Joe. I was contacted by a writer from Chesepeake. I told her I could not tell her anything until I contacted my partners other than that we planned a recovery sometime this year (2002) I asked Joe and the investor about letting her do a story but not give her all the facts. They turned on me like wolves and said I had given out confidential information by my saying that we were going to recover the Beale Treasure sometimes this year (2002) They kicked me out of their group and I have been unable due to contracts to say anything about their location and I have been forbidden by them even to visit the area. I have honored that and went on seeking the Beale Treasure where I believed it to be buried. I can tell you now Joe D.'s location really looks great but it has it's drawbacks-------getting government permission is not easy as they have found out. They have even tried passing new legisilation through the House and Senate to no avail.
I will continue to try and dig at my location and any other locations that others may come up with until something definite or finite I should say developes. Until that happens I will continue to raise funds anyway I can. I have sold my treasures as fast as I find them to get gas money. I have sold stories to magazines and I have tried selling my books which I have written. Other than these my daily job is all that keeps all of this going. I have recently tried to sale my racing business. We have been successful with it, won 34 races, a LMSC Championship, made the Taco Bell 300 Race at Martinsville Speedway which is not easy when you run outlaw tracks most of the time and not NASCAR, even though we have run a lot of NASCAR tracks. And all of this out of our pockets and no sponsor to speak of.
Treasure hunting, racing and life itself you do what the money allows you do. When money or weather don't co-operate I stay home going over my research and maps or on the internet researching. When I have enough to check out and enough gas money I go and check my research out. It hasn't been easy but I will reap the rewards someday. I don't do this as a part-time thing this is 24/7 for me. I treasure hunt, research and talk treasure 24/7 and I would have it no other way.
If not for landowners I would already have several treasures recovered. Or if I was not law abiding I would dig them up at night time but since I try to be honest in all my doings these treasures will have to wait until an investor helps me recover them or the landowner changes their minds about letting me excavate.
Talk to you later videobuyer. Keep that video. When Joe D. digs it may or may not be worth a fortune.
As for NOT AN OPTION, in all my labors I never say I believe or I think, I have always been to the point. Saying, "I believe" or "I think" leaves an element of doubt, I do not doubt my research and my work-----it is very thorough-------that is why I can say I have found the CSA Treasury and anyone that buys my books when the CSA Treasury is recovered will receive $1000. back and for their purchase, their name will be in a drawing for $1 Million Dollars after the CSA Treasure is recovered and enough funds raised to cover cost. That is not "I believe" or "I guess" that is "I PROMISE"
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Post by Not An Option on Sept 18, 2007 22:25:59 GMT -5
As for NOT AN OPTION, in all my labors I never say I believe or I think, I have always been to the point. Saying, "I believe" or "I think" leaves an element of doubt, I do not doubt my research and my work-----it is very thorough-------that is why I can say I have found the CSA Treasury and anyone that buys my books when the CSA Treasury is recovered will receive $1000. back and for their purchase, their name will be in a drawing for $1 Million Dollars after the CSA Treasure is recovered and enough funds raised to cover cost. That is not "I believe" or "I guess" that is "I PROMISE" Forgive the tone of the following - I am genuinely concerned: This was what I was driving at before, however. If you're getting investments from people (either through book sales or otherwise) for a CSA treasure recovery by telling them "I *know* where the location is and I *promise* you $1000 plus a raffle draw in a guaranteed $1million", you're really a whisker away from legal difficulties and/or possibly being pursued for fraud. Actually, probably not fraud because you genuinely believe it's true, they'll come after you for some fruity combination of recklessness and negligence (they have a lot of avenues for prosecuting for deception). Because unless the treasure actually turns out to be there AND recoverable AND you get the proceeds AND the proceeds are greater than what you've promised, you're going to have to pay these people out of your own pockets. They made investments in good faith in a certainty you promised them - if you'd used words like "I believe the treasure is here, and if recoverable then etc etc", then their investment would clearly be more speculative and they arguably were alerted to the risks of treasure hunting. Another way to look at it is the number of different locations of the Beale treasure you've hunted in the past (and are still hunting) - each time your research lead you to a location, did you tell everyone around you "The treasure is guaranteed to be at this location, it's a certainty"? If so, how many times have you broken your word? Why would someone trust you now if you admit the Beale cipher was solved in 2002 and revealed a location, and yet you're still hunting at other locations? This is the main risk of making promises - you run the risk of breaking them and doing further damage to your credibility. It's great that you spend so much time and effort on your research, and it's comforting you have so much faith in it to make 'promises' as to its results, but this is entirely the wrong way to go about treasure-hunting. Investors who don't know you personally will write you off as a crank and you won't be able to raise funding for your next adventure, should you need it.
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Post by beale on Sept 19, 2007 5:10:13 GMT -5
Not an Option,
You are confusing yourself with different treasures. The CSA Treasury, I can guarantee that it is buried where I say that it is, I have documented proof. I know it is worth more than one million dollars. The Mexican Silver Dollars alone are worth $245 million dollars not counting the other two tons of mostly gold coins and $50,000 in coins from countries around the world, also coins that were donated by the ladies of the south along with jewelry that was worth then over $438,000. So I am not concerned about the CSA Treasury being there or not---------I know for a fact that it is. The recovery may take longer than expected because of the landowners but I do say in my promise "When the CSA Treasury is recovered and enough funds is raised to have the drawing etc."
I see your point about the Beale Treasure but I have made no firm acquisations about the Beale Treasure. Without someone finding the exact "KEY" or other verifiable documents to verify one way or the other then that treasure is speculative. I have made no claims saying I know exactly where it is buried because I have no documentation to verify and neither does anyone else. I only said that Joe D.'s location looks good as well as a couple of mine and several by other claims.
I can see nothing wrong with the way my post are stated. As far as the CSA Treasury I was trying to get investors into the project. They are not really needed and I will most likely go the route without them. The only problem here is convincing the City of Danville for a dig. I can get it through the courts and that is what will take funding and lots of it. The latter route is optional depending on the city. I can see what you are saying but when you know, you know!
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Post by beale on Sept 19, 2007 19:06:53 GMT -5
Posters, I am sorry about getting this thread off in the wrong direction talking about myself and racing. I will get it back on track by telling everyone that Claudine Fulton Ellis' book, "The Beale Treasure Codes, THE KEY" can be purchased by sending $35. either by money order or cashier's checks to: Mrs. Claudine Ellis 511 Jefferson Avenue Vinton, Virginia 24179 Claudine's daughter had her email address on before but she has to go to Florida for a very important operation. They believed she had to go to Germany to have this surgery performed but now she is going to have it in Florida. So instead of emails send correspondence to the above address. Thank you very much. PS Claudine has a book signing tomorrow. I forgot to ask her where it was? ??I think Roanoke. If I find out I will let you all know.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 20, 2007 18:11:44 GMT -5
Yo! ;D I'm baaccckkk! beale is correct as to how to get Claudine's book... got mine, today... and it is GOOOOOOOD!!! Thanks, Claudine!!! NOW... as to the CSA Treasury, etc. Are you all buying that book, 'cause you wanna read the "juicy stuff", OR... to be "put in" for the "Lotto"? GEEEEZE... I'm gonna buy that book, 'cause of my interest in the Civil War... CSA Treasury... etc., and I hope beale DOES get it out. I also hope that beale gets the B.T. out, too... BTW, beale got a NICE sentence from Claudine in her book, she has it as BEALL, also; it sounds the same, and must have been "seen" wrong in writing, with the second "L" misunderstood, as an "little e"...
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Post by TOMm on Sept 22, 2007 20:35:48 GMT -5
Hello One All
I was just wondering WHAT? or how much would some one offER for
1. The Original Letters
2. THE REAL KEY .
Since the key is being offered in FauX Form For Sale or an a persons thoughts are for sale. on this thread.
NOW the truth is i have always said i have not broken the code . i can not any longer say that. i have found the starting fpormula. and have a ways to go, BUT< i have found and aquired several , ITEMs,( remember the word items ) mentioned in one of the codes , & 71 is not the first number. the big big Beale treasure is not in VA. maybe two/3 smaller ones, there are several copy of keys buried one each in VA ,WVA, PA, MD, POSSIBLY NC, THERE IS A DISC ( when you disc-over) TO USE TO READ THEM. Open for rebuttal. TOMm.
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 22, 2007 20:50:34 GMT -5
Yo! ;D Show "Pics" of what ya got, here, now... or as attachments... THANKS!!!
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Post by TOMm on Sept 22, 2007 21:00:05 GMT -5
HELLO YO IF I PUT UP PICKS THE FEDS WILL SURELY CONFISCATE THE ITEMS JUST LIKE THEY DID ON THE FIRST CACHE 1982 BUT I WILL EVENTUALLY PUT UP THINGS IN FUTURE THAT CANT BE CLAIMED LIKE LAND MARKS AND WHERE THEY CAN BE FOUND IN THE CODES USING BACK UP PROOF I MAY DO A PERSONAL SHOW IN MUSEUM.AND THAT TAKES PERMITS AND SUCH. THERE ARE TREASURES IN THOSE STATES ABOVE. I EXPECT TO FIND A MUMMY ALSO. MAYBE TOMm
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Post by beale on Sept 23, 2007 17:03:27 GMT -5
Yo! ;D I'm baaccckkk! beale is correct as to how to get Claudine's book... got mine, today... and it is GOOOOOOOD!!! Thanks, Claudine!!! NOW... as to the CSA Treasury, etc. Are you all buying that book, 'cause you wanna read the "juicy stuff", OR... to be "put in" for the "Lotto"? GEEEEZE... I'm gonna buy that book, 'cause of my interest in the Civil War... CSA Treasury... etc., and I hope beale DOES get it out. I also hope that beale gets the B.T. out, too... BTW, beale got a NICE sentence from Claudine in her book, she has it as BEALL, also; it sounds the same, and must have been "seen" wrong in writing, with the second "L" misunderstood, as an "little e"... Thanks Rebel, Claudine gave me credit for finding the correct genealogy for TJB, Thomas Jefferson Beall and yes "Beale" is supposed to be spelled "Beall" That is why some on this forum and other forums said I could not make up my mind about the spelling because I knew the truth was "Beall" and not "Beale" but when you talk about the story all books such as Peter Viemeister's and others has it spelled "Beale" which is wrong. I have researched into Claudine's book, "The Beale Treasure Codes, THE KEY" and I can find nothing that is wrong in the book. I have went through extensive amounts of Deeds and Wills and on the ground talking to locals and they tell me that her story is the truth and I believe them. Claudine is to have another book signing at Independence, Virginia on October 14 when I find out the location I will post it. Her books can still be purchased at: Mrs. Claudine Ellis 511 Jefferson Avenue Vinton, Virginia 24179
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Post by David on Sept 24, 2007 18:37:27 GMT -5
Here is an interesting observation: In 1885 a story was published titled The Beale Papers This story was about a man named Thomas J. Beale Who would ever have “THUNK IT”.....The person who wrote the story had it all wrong. It was a story about a Thomas BEALL not BEALE. The author did not know who his hero was even though it was his imagination that came up with it. The author of this story told about finding gold and silver out west and wrote about this in his imaginative story. But he got that all wrong too...It was really the Confederate treasury he was supposed to be writing about. DUH! What a dummy. Seems we can’t trust any writers imagination to get the story right. Some one once wrote George Washington was the first president of the US...damn they probably got that wrong too, it was really Charlie Sheens Dad (pssst ‘I saw it on TV) But lets get to a review of a new and real exciting publication coming out soon called: ‘THE BEALL PAPERS’ containing authentic (I think) statements regarding the Confederate Treasury or Jean Lafitte’s treasure or Robert Morris lost silver shipment or Jesse James Gold or Capt Kidd booty buried in 1819 and 1821 near Montvale Virginia in a cave or grave or a vault of rocks near a cross or under an old mill or on an Island in the Potomac River or under the Washington Monument or may be it was buried in 1862 the second year of the War Between the States or in 1865 but it could have been buried in 1799 or 1775 but for sure it is still there but it might not be but you never can tell, it might be really really deep in the ground or recovered by the FEDS and used to finance mind control on US Citizens. The following details are of a story that happened once upon a time a long long time ago but which has lost none of its fantasy generating abilities on that account are now given to the public for the nth teen time. For many reason which should be apparent to everyone the truth of this matter has been hidden by believers, disbelievers and authors of books and stories and the NSA, CIA and KGB or maybe even the Freemasons. But the truth is known by the Author, his immediate family and one old and trusted friend upon whose discretion he could always rely; and this truth was never designed to travel beyond this limited circle, but tax problems with the IRS generated because of a 1040 long form accident about a fortune and that awful need to generate lawyer fees to help his now dependent family force him to publish this story. Price $39.99 It was in the month of January 1821 while tending The Chatham House I first met and became acquainted with Thomas Beall (but as I was to discover later his real name was Lazarus Long) but I attached no importance to his name as I should have. It was only after a while that I figured out what BE..ALL was. He stood about 5 foot 4 inches and was UGLY, man was he UGLY but the women loved him. (He kept flashing rolls of hundred dollar bills and was a big tipper.) He packed a 44 magnum, the most powerful hand gun in the world and constantly told the men...Go ahead and make my day...after a few made snide remarks and he blasted them...the rest of the men left him alone. He stayed with me for 3 months...then a couple of guys rode up and he left with them riding away on The Tennessee Stud that was long and lean, the color of the sun and eyes of green and he called his hoss Rebel. Before he went away, he entrusted me with a cardboard box to keep for him. It was all taped up with tamper proof tape so I shoved it in the linen closet, placing it on the top shelf where it would be safe until his return which was to be in two or three years so he said. I got a letter from him a month or two later posted from Miami where he said I better keep the box safe for at least 10 years because he might be going away for that long. That was the last word I ever heard from him. I can only imagine that he was killed by the wild illegals that inhabit that area in Florida or else a gator got him. Since ten years had passed it was ok for me to open the box but remembering the 44 I waited 23 before I dared. In the box were some old newspapers not connected to this mystery and some letters addressed to me so I read them but could make no sense out of ones that just had numbers. I guessed it was some sort of code. Couldn’t make sense of it so I hired me an agent. He found an answer to one of the codes which he numbered 2 by using a book written by Robert Heinlein, Methuselah’s Children. The following is part of that code number 2 translation. I have deposited in a bank in the Cayman Islands the following articles belonging jointly to the parties whose names are given in number “3”. Three quarters of a Million, some jewels and such and the key to a Swiss account, no trouble will be had in finding it as directions are given in number “1”. ******************************************************************* The above is condensed from the exciting new book “The Beall Conspiracy” The Tale of Hidden Wealth by WoodyS Woody Agent for the author and code named Pecker Head. ------Learn how the codes were broken...but the solution was suppressed by the CIA and NSA. ------Learn how Sgt. Lazarus Long originated the Army Slogan ‘BE ALL that you can be’ and thus hide the true meaning of The Beall Papers. ------Learn how the keys to code 1 and 3 were discovered in an army training manual and accidentally lost for 40 years only to be rediscovered and lost again but not before they were validated by a Meter maid named Penny Isa Cointoo. ------Discover the true meaning behind The Beall Mystery and Chatham House. ------Be the first in your neighborhood to know how JB Ward changed the story to The Beall Papers to confuse the issue and created a publication called THE BEALE PAPERS and had them authenticated by 18,19 or 21 affidavits. WOW! excitment abounds The truth is still out there...somewhere Reserve your advance copy of this exciting new book today BS Publications.com
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