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beale
Aug 24, 2004 0:33:14 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 24, 2004 0:33:14 GMT -5
The fellow with the grid work might want to try using a grid with the letter that say "perusal of this letter" But use number 2 numbers again and avoid wards decoy xeposited in thx xxuntx = DE COY in the othe grid that shows your work of the constitution RR may not be rual route but Rail Roadand the numbers by rr might be a track number or train number each engine had a number lines 6,7,8,9 spells jesse or Jesus Take notice of the letters missing such as K with the aid of a *k*ey next to jesse with a k you get track all of this is pure speculation and no facts... but if you go over to the strip of paper in Iness book Gold in the Blue Ridge you see the word Balloon as in hot air and Brady photographer*3D* of the silver war but it snakes in and of other letters just like a train track now where is there a track in the BLUE RIDGE?? if you look real good at some old rail road maps you'll see it runs thru BEDFORD county PENNA> beal or whom ever didnt say what state bedford was in it could be England what you have is missing letters that may come from the letters in the phamplet to complete the **journey to This place by train** The Rail Road is track is only a stones throw from The Buffords hotel on line 17 you see DEPOT minus the *p* that should come from the phamplet (*D-E-P-Osi-T*ed) as in train station 1832 coud be feet from or down track TOM
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beale
Aug 25, 2004 22:45:52 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 25, 2004 22:45:52 GMT -5
I have found J WARD in connection with Jesse James at this web site www.ku.edu/heritage/james.txtalso: BOWLER .... THE GAME WILL BE MILES .........AS in four miles from WINDY.........THE WEATHER BEING FINE AND ALSO JESSE WAS IN THE WESTERN PORTION OF THE STATE WEST VIRGINIA AT THE HUNINGTON (DEPOSIT)BANK speculation TOM
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beale
Aug 26, 2004 6:02:15 GMT -5
Post by pope on Aug 26, 2004 6:02:15 GMT -5
TOMm,
In one of your posts above you reference the silver war. I've never heard of it. Can you elaborate? Was it fought over silver treasure?
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beale
Aug 27, 2004 21:07:24 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 27, 2004 21:07:24 GMT -5
To answer your question about the silver war there are several references i will give you the first and the most reputable is the harpers news paper called it the silver war, and second the mountain folks i know when i was a boy in west virginia called it the silver war and i think it was the east and west treasure mag that said that there was 115 tons of silver stolen near the west virginia boarder during the civil war i know of three banks that jesse james robbed in Wva how do i know that is Clells grand son was a friend of mine and another MEMBER OF THAT GANG MISTER NINE(NINE IS A LAST NAME) 115 do you reconise that number from the codes and of couse i acknowledge the slavery issue of that great and terrible war but it was also about the south losing money and one other thing the old mountain folks used to say and that, use to be about bricks of gold, and i never knew why that was? until one day i dug up some bricks but not just any kind of brick they are half bricks that are dual purpose they were used as moulds and since they were hollow they could be put in to a wagon and stacked upon top of each other and look just like a wagon load of red bricks going somewhere to build a who knows maybe a Vault arent bricks a type of "Stone on Top of Stone" my question becomes who how why and when and how many men were involved in making and loading ect? my freind has a three pound (about that) mould of the same brick material it matches the brick in (bobfords)buffords there used to be a brick kiln bobfords inn that they built buffords hotel and how many wagons wewnt un detected to rebuild the war torn areas and know body would think any different as to what purpose the red bricks were being used for when seen on a wagon or steam ship such as the USS Enterprise TOMm
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beale
Aug 27, 2004 23:30:41 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 27, 2004 23:30:41 GMT -5
Im sorry about that link not working ,heres another link www.ku.edu/heritage/research/james.txtBut here is some more speculation relating to the phamhlet ,letters ,and number 2 (broken) do not bet on number two being broken as with the secret meaning it surely holds from the link above i give a sapeculative look HULSE = HOUSE LATCHE = LOCK, late wife LIDDIL =LITTLE PILE OF LYNCH = LYNCHBURG,DEATH MAY 9 =WOMAN IN WVA DILLON =3/4 OF A MILLION McGUIRE =ENQUIRING FRIENDS IF THERE BE ANY PARMER =FARMERS POTATOES = RICE COUNTY MINN EVENING MEAL = BASHAM DAN ATOGETHER = ALTON EVEVENIG MEAL =BACON ARCHIBALD =HAIR WORN LONGER ANDERSON =JEFFERSON BURNS =CANDEL QUANTRILL =LARGE QUANITY OF HITE = HIGH IN A CLEFF/CLELL JOHN BLACK = ALL THATS DARK HINDS =(HANDS) WALKER =FEET 10 MARCH General = EARLY IN MARCH LAND/BROWN = GROUND BLOODY BILL =DANGEROUS/PERILOUS REGARDS =BEST WHISHES KEOUGHMAN WILL =KEY SAVAGE =MUSEUM REED = SOMEONE MIGHT READ IT JOHN MORRIS = ROBERT MORRIS DOCTOR= ILLNESS / DEATH SUSEPITLE INDEPENDENCE = MO/ADDRESS SHEPHERD =ME AS THERE LEADER JEFFERSON = MO/ADDRESS NORTH FIELD = NORTERLY COURSE MADDOX = BUFFALOW EWING =YOU WILL BLOODY BILL = SAVAGE GRIZZLY BEAR = judge SAMUELS = HAND (LADIES) MOTHERS PINKERTON= agent WARDS (HOWARDS JESSIE ') agent the dirty little coward that shot mister Howard(song) S p e c u l a t i o n again TOMm i may be altogether wrong on this jesse james theroy
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beale
Aug 29, 2004 16:59:30 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 29, 2004 16:59:30 GMT -5
i have a picture of Doctor Defoe(the enemy)actig as a police man holdig a pistol over the bank robbers in West Viginia. The man looks identical to other picturtes of Bob Ford
De Foe was a writer in liteture bob forD was supose to be dead as well as jesse james James was a writter in lieture Ward was a writter in liteture Morris was a famous artist Jesse James step dad was news paper printer jesses mom lost a HAND now hand is a word in the letters also agent remember ward spoke of an agent Pinkerton (allen) was an agent responsible for for BELOW(ing) off jesses moms hand I said all that to say this that Jesse (WARD) says that he used other books and documents to get the code 2 down to deciphering >>WELL its not broken in its entirety try it again in THREE DIMENSION 3D in low resolution. JESSE ALSO USED HIS STEP DADS NEWS PAPER TO RELAY MESSAGES IN CODE(IN PAPER)number two or paper number one and dind nt frank james have a camera according to a popular time or life hard bound edition he was charging fifty cents to take pictures of jesses grave QUESTION?? what did J.B. Ward do to support his daily life. for food and the like.? and did anybody put that deed to the hotel in a grid you should ? who was the guest that didnt have to pay as long as he lived ? And all the banks robbed in wva. were in the Western portion of the state(phamplet) The GREAT WESTERN was a TRAIN OPPOSED TO A GREAT WESTERN PLAINS(phamplet) LOOK in the old jesse jAMES COMIC BOOKS
and didnt jesse use the names WOODSON and or Mr. HOWARD or Williams? TOMm
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beale
Sept 4, 2004 14:41:18 GMT -5
Post by pope on Sept 4, 2004 14:41:18 GMT -5
I'm writing a novel, gad, there have been so many, and to put this in perspective I'll mention that they are all self-published. Now I want to put a Beale treasure search in this one. Has any one looked for the treasure so that they could give me some points that I can use in a fictitious search? tjb, I appreciate you creativeness but I was looking for something a bit more specific. Back in the early eighties when I first learned of the treasure through Gold in the Blue Ridge I went to the Peaks of Otter in off season and entertained myself in my tent pretending I was cracking the code. I hate to rely on this old memory. I'll put you in the acknowledgements, guys! And I talke it there's only guys out there. Thanks.
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beale
Sept 5, 2004 16:49:18 GMT -5
Post by Wild Card on Sept 5, 2004 16:49:18 GMT -5
Writing a novel, huh? Trying to create another 'DaVinci Code? The Beale Treasure mystery... would be a great subject to do it with! As for 'pointers'... you might try these ideas:
That the 'Beale Treasure' story(as provided by the pamphlet) acts as a 'primer'... that covers the 'basic elements' of the subject. Giving 'basic ideas' to assist. It is then your task to find the main point of interest.
Try showing how the C2 cipher its self... doesn't work, to create the C2 message, as given. A different set of numbers is needed for that.
Try showing how a 'missing' "apostrophy"... can make all the difference in the world, when trying to solve a mystery like this. Take for instance: for want of an 'apostrophy'... you merely have Robert Morriss. BUT... with the addition of a simple 'apostrophy'... the Robert Morriss you see... can become the Robert Morris you haven't seen, as in:
Robert Morris's 'Conservator' movement(Conservators of Symbolical Masonry) 1845... initiated into the Oxford Lodge #33, at the age of 26. 1858... became Grand Master in Lexington, Kentucky. 1860... started the Conservator movement, which, without the use of 'Mnemonics'(memory aids), it would have been a failure; its use was the 'key' to whatever success it may have had as an organization. The "key" or "code" which put all of the exoteric, as well as the esoteric, work into a form that could be read by anyone possessing the key that untangled the complicated system, aroused the ire of most of the Grand Lodges.
You also might try this: two of the Beale letters are signed as: Tho. Jeff. Beale the other is signed as: T. J. B. You really have to ask yourself: Why aren't all three signed the same way? Could there be a purpose in this? Yes... I think there is!
Look at the section designated as: The Late Robert Morriss In one paragraph, it says: "Such a man was Thomas J. Beale, as he appeared in 1820, etc., etc." And three sentences later... the word 'March' is used. My feeling is that, the 'T. J. B.' + March... are to form: J. B. T. Marsh
So you see, as far as writing your novel goes... you have a lot... to learn!!!
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beale
Sept 6, 2004 5:41:11 GMT -5
Post by Wild Card on Sept 6, 2004 5:41:11 GMT -5
Here is another interesting thing I see:
It has always been my contention, that George Alfred Townsend, the "reporter/author"... is the creator of the Beale mystery... and how much his name correlates with that of:
George Alfred T o w n s e n d George Alfred T r e n h o l m... Secretary of the Treasury, Confederate States of America
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beale
Sept 8, 2004 15:52:59 GMT -5
Post by Rockhound on Sept 8, 2004 15:52:59 GMT -5
A work of fiction based upon the search for a real treasure story? It has always been my contention that a novel (actually more of a movie in truth) based on the Beale Saga would be a fantastic idea. If I might offer my opinion on such a venture, I feel that the book/movie should begin by laying out the history behind the beale codes, flesh out the characters involved and the hardships they must have endured, describe the codes explaining how they were produced and what they represent. And finally have the main protagonist/hero (presumably some 21st century maverick, written off by the "experts" in cryptology, going it alone, against the odds, with a revolutionary method of decrypting semi-ancient codes, climaxing with some (plausable) conclusion to the whole saga!!! Hollywood demands that there be all manner of dangers (encounters with deadly creatures ie, bears/wolves/men with English accents and waxed moustaches, hazardous weather, precipitous mountain paths, awesome CGI monsters (OK I added that one myself), and all manner of interpersonal character-driven anxieties a la "The Treasure of the Sierra Madre") and an explosive conclusion. Phewww, you have your work cut out for you Pope. But I wish you well and would absolutely love to read whatever you come up with!! Oh and might I suggest an idea for your main character? See, there's this guy (a computer enthusiast with outdated programming skills) who, while sitting on the sidelines watching what others are doing, quietly resurrects a mothballed computer program he had been working on for several years... In the meantime he sets up a forum and names it, er.. something like... "Rockhounder's Treasure Hunting Messageboard"!? Of course he is a handsome chap, likeable but modest, deceptively intelligent but with a dangerous and sexy dark side. I see Tom Cruise in the lead roll (the "out of control" programmer?) in the movie ;D ----------------------------------------------------------------------- By the way, do you require the services of an amateur proofreader?
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beale
Sept 10, 2004 18:52:20 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Sept 10, 2004 18:52:20 GMT -5
would you like to take pictures of a empty vault , i thought it was going to be fantastic when i found it, but it was MT(empty) its about a half hours walk on dirt road ;its under a giant boulder dug in from one side about twelve feet deep and 20/25 feet long and 5 foot wide. i thought you might use it in your movie/book I believe its vault *A* vault *n*is still in pretty good shape
there is no charge for seeing or taking pictures of this vault *A* it has a sliding(5foot) lid on it; well the only thing it will cost is your time and travel and film to this site TOM
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beale
Sept 12, 2004 14:36:28 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Sept 12, 2004 14:36:28 GMT -5
let me put some more pudding in the pie remember i said vault *A* is empty there is a vault in bedford but theres no way of getting to it with out being seen by somebody.so i leave it alone, the last tim the feds took vault *D*
so next to the empty vault; i thought this would make a good picture/movie there is a huge carving in stone about a inch deep about 19 feet over a ledge of the seal known(as the great treasury seal of U.S) it wasn't put there for the chipmunks to look at and we dicovered it by accident 20 years ago; get out innes book and you will snake in and out of the Lee ,Broken ,Bones any you will find *GREAT SEAL* subtly mixed in the writting; also ive found the masonic symbol its 33 ft tall and 33 feet across now some where in my research i remember a five(5) hundred pound triangle /wedge gold buried by our first friendly masons (*BENJ. and the boys George and Tom and Quincy & Albert G*) This may be a coincidence but about the same time near vault *N* a young boy found two huge gold coins there they were the largest in size iv'e ever seen; the two silver coins reminded me of that..
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beale
Sept 13, 2004 18:18:58 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Sept 13, 2004 18:18:58 GMT -5
too sweeten the pie i will and can show the exact spot that the letter that never arrived was deposited ,it might still be there because at the time(20 years ago) i was not looking for paper ,but metal i did find at this certen spot and because of the history behind this place you see i didnt make it up ,but what i did find nearby was two huge hinges from a safe i left them there, now how can i make such and out landish , boastful statement, because of the place name it has and if you dont know place names then one needs a local historian
also today i decided to reread the hart papers and i would like to know has any body tried to run the numbers on the hart papers a lot of the verbage is exactly the same or the same pattern was'nt the harts the first to bring out the beal papers and the first people to make public the phamplet give that a fire burnt up the first so called printing is there a record of a fire of the job press andf what year IF its so then where is the originals from 1885 that were salvaged from the inferno the harts were young /old enough to be in the famous james james gang where did they get finances for long days not working /travel ect. now this is all speculation but a few of the staments have elements of at least one of the vaults i visited i dont believe that the ciphers are completely decoded as said by a few no-body that i know of has used the three D abstact method which i can be perfectly assured that they are indeed *3-D*at least in part and because of items ive dug up im positive that the ciphers(not completely broken are real and the treasure is in many holes/vaults * head west young man* TOMm
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beale
Sept 18, 2004 21:56:48 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Sept 18, 2004 21:56:48 GMT -5
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beale
Sept 18, 2004 22:00:52 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Sept 18, 2004 22:00:52 GMT -5
FOR THE ABOVE LINK TO WORK GO 2 GOOGLE LOOK FOR ERIC LEVINE ABOUT PUZZELS
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