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beale
Aug 13, 2004 13:54:11 GMT -5
Post by M Groff on Aug 13, 2004 13:54:11 GMT -5
see bealeciphers.net
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beale
Aug 13, 2004 16:23:04 GMT -5
Post by tjb on Aug 13, 2004 16:23:04 GMT -5
I looked. I could not find anything there. Are you sure you have the web-site entered correctly?
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beale
Aug 14, 2004 2:09:55 GMT -5
Post by Rockhound on Aug 14, 2004 2:09:55 GMT -5
I found bealeciphers.net/ worked for me. Hopefully that's the site M Groff was referring to. Rockster.
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beale
Aug 14, 2004 10:50:41 GMT -5
Post by tjb on Aug 14, 2004 10:50:41 GMT -5
Thanks, Rockhound. I found the web-site. I have did an overview of it and I will look into it further, but it don't look promising.
First of all the deciphered message does not make enough sense to find a treasure in a hole. Like, "go 83 feet, thirty inches." Shouldn't this read 85 feet and 6 inches. Then you have, "From Buford's, North 500 ft. 10 inches SSW." If I get the 500 feet to a treasure location, I will not need to go 10 inches SSW. There is others like, "Route Ninety Buford's. Cross the lane ten yds northeast and three yds ENE and Step Seventy ft. 10 inches and use care to look (c) out for RR#68 SSE from Buford's.
Come on this is unreal. First of all they had no rural routes in those days. Secondly, no one in his right mind is going to be able to follow these directions. You start at Buford's, (Which incidently is spelled Bufford's in 1822) in a northerly direction to a spot about six hundred feet ENE of Buford's, then at the end of the decipherment you go back to Buford's and go in a SSE direction which with your directions will be about 55 feet SE of Buford's House.
I am sorry M. Groff, this is not the decipherment to either of the cipher codes for the Beale Treasure.
Further your method, of using four different quandrants by going left or right and up or down. This will give you eight chances of finding the right letter you are looking for to form a word that you want. Then you throw in different variables of multiplying by 11 or dividing by 29. (This now brings your chances to one in 0.82 of finding a letter of the alphabet that you will need for a decipherment to suit yourself. Then of course you throwed in several other variables, such as:
1. literal value 2. three digit ciphers (you separate after one digit or two) to find a certain letter. 3. two digit ciphers you separate and then use the whole cipher (two more chances) (like 10, you went upper left one and down 10) (like 12, you went column left from right bottom, up 2) 4. another 36, since you have been dividing by 11, shouldn't 36 be third row, three up or down, yet you say third row from left? 5. You use different math for the same cipher (like 18, you have it one time E, lst row top right and then the very next 18, you have O row 1 left top) (like 38, you have three from the bottom and eight up, then you have 38, row three from bottom left)
This list could go on and on, but I see no need to continue. This flies in the face of common sense and is on the edge of insanity. I am sorry M. Groff, your two weeks of work should have continued for a few more years. Nice try though.
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beale
Aug 15, 2004 17:35:14 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 15, 2004 17:35:14 GMT -5
Try that grid on the gettysburg address
TOM
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beale
Aug 15, 2004 17:45:31 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 15, 2004 17:45:31 GMT -5
Number 2 code in 3d shows the key in the palm of a hand
just for your info enterprise was a news paper at Virginia city Nevada
Buffords is also at Colorado
Robert Morris is a college
Robert Morris was in charge of ..Quote "a lare treasure train of silver and plate" which he says was stolen by hiway men congress forgave him of it
the next year he move to Maryland with his books ans wife TOM
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beale
Aug 19, 2004 21:26:25 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 19, 2004 21:26:25 GMT -5
Hey have any of you tried THE 3D system what it dose is show all thats dark in them and also Quote from pamphlet "it was with this design that eye first visted "well almost a quote and a picture is worth a 1000 words show it shows where" the exact local" is use nuber 2 from the roanoake libary it will take about fifteen minutes for you eyes to adjust to see all thats dark in them if one of you venture out to do so try runining the numbers in low resolution as if it were in the 1800 period of time for lenses the main key is not number 2 its an example of a cypher im sure that this cypher is beyond 1850 because of some of the items ive got from vault J... "We will play it to the" N the end of the N vault is still closed can you make the word den as in cave from the word lined line D VAULT N The first deposiit was NNNNovember(N) teh ssecond deposit was mmmade(M)
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beale
Aug 21, 2004 21:15:49 GMT -5
Post by TOMm on Aug 21, 2004 21:15:49 GMT -5
maybe some of you would like to see some names contained in the famous alphabet strings;get the strings out before you ney say.and "Stampede the rest" Look for yourself and compare and check out the treaty 1826 also names like JOHN O BEEL (J O B ) as in press,Job Press (front cover) check other punctillio such as Abeel on *google* and that particular person finished his life in "THE Western Portion of The State" the western portion today is West Virginia ........Western Port is in Maryland remember Robert Morris and all that missing treasure train of silver and plate . TOM he moved to Maryland
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beale
Aug 22, 2004 5:19:53 GMT -5
Post by pope on Aug 22, 2004 5:19:53 GMT -5
I choose not go go down the road of checking documents that may or may not have anything to do with Beale. Now, if a treasure had been buried in the early 1800s and no one has been able to break its code, it would be called a hoax by many. Some will say they found it. That is precisely whas has happened, while of course it CAN be a hoax. Yesterday in an online treasure mag I see where they have the heavy machinery onsite and ready to dig, a contract having been made with the owner. This is absurd. I watch the local WSET TV out of Lynchburg daily and nothing has been reported. If the treasure is discovered in such a public manner it would be on local TV as well as national. These so-called seekers go to elaborate lengths to convice. Like saying, no, there wasn't as much gold and silver as reported. More jewels instead. Precious historical documents in the vault, etc. By diminishing the treasure they hope to convince of its authenticity.
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beale
Aug 22, 2004 19:05:48 GMT -5
Post by tjb on Aug 22, 2004 19:05:48 GMT -5
Pope,
What on line magazine did you read this on? Are you sure they said something about precious historical documents? If not where exactly did you hear this?
I think I may know something about this? If it is what I think it is, there are reasons for it no being on WSET-TV.
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beale
Aug 23, 2004 5:10:14 GMT -5
Post by pope on Aug 23, 2004 5:10:14 GMT -5
Hi tjb. I'll see if I can find it and get back to you. Yes the historical document gambit was brought in. WSET is a very fluffy station, anchors phoney, but discovery of the Beale treasure they would have. Why do you think they wouldn't?
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beale
Aug 23, 2004 5:32:44 GMT -5
Post by pope on Aug 23, 2004 5:32:44 GMT -5
LeMarr Cross says that, with these directions, a person who knows the region can find his way to within several hundred yards of the treasure site, but he wouldn't be allowed much closer because it's located on private property. One of my contacts who just visited the area found this out firsthand. He talked with several people who live nearby and learned that Green has signed an agreement with the landowner and now has heavy equipment on the property. That's as close as my contact got, though, for the site itself and the land around it are completely secure from trespassing.
tjb, along with historical documents they claim artifacts like a small jeweled mirror. But I couldn't find reference to it again. If you wish to read more from where I took this excerpt enter key words: beale treasure mark green.
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beale
Aug 23, 2004 14:01:13 GMT -5
Post by smd173 on Aug 23, 2004 14:01:13 GMT -5
LeMarr Cross says that, with these directions, a person who knows the region can find his way to within several hundred yards of the treasure site, but he wouldn't be allowed much closer because it's located on private property. One of my contacts who just visited the area found this out firsthand. He talked with several people who live nearby and learned that Green has signed an agreement with the landowner and now has heavy equipment on the property. That's as close as my contact got, though, for the site itself and the land around it are completely secure from trespassing. tjb, along with historical documents they claim artifacts like a small jeweled mirror. But I couldn't find reference to it again. If you wish to read more from where I took this excerpt enter key words: beale treasure mark green. Your quote above is verbatum from the 19*82* article from TREASURE magazine. That's why it hasn't been on the local news.
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beale
Aug 23, 2004 16:10:22 GMT -5
Post by tjb on Aug 23, 2004 16:10:22 GMT -5
I've told you before and everyone else that the story of 1982 never happened. Green or Lamar Cross or who ever their names were never dug on any property. They claimed to have used heavy equipment and opened two vaults one about sixty feet down hill from the other. They claim to be selling these fine jewels in New York and Chicago.
All of this never happened. This same individual made up a story about the treasure coming from the Santa Rosa. He said Lafitte and his men separated with Trammel on what is now Trammels Trace. They say that Trammel and his men were captured by the Spanish in Northeast Texas. But, Lafitte, or Thomas Beall as he called him buried the treasure of their half on the Thomas Lynburt farm in Northwest Alabama.
Enough said. I was able to track this man down through and by a letter he sent me about the Santa Rosa. Boyd Jolley of American Fork, Utah described to me over the telephone the mistakes or broken keys on this mans typewriter. He gave me both the mans name and his brothers name. They are both on the West Coast. I remember one of their names was George. I talked with him on the telephone. He had several other stories he could make up while talking with you.
I talked with you smd about all of this. There is nothing going on with any heavy equipment. Their location was at the Cool Spring Church on Taylor's Mountain. The day the story came out, I went and talked with the families that live around the Cool Spring Church. Nothing happened and not a single person has turned over any dirt on their properties with shovels let alone heavy equipment.
If this story is still running in any treasure magazine it should be discontinued. There are enough false treasure stories on the market today. Some treasure hunters are still hunting for treasures that I have proven never existed and never happened. Lost Tresure magazine keeps rehashing these old stories. I have sent them stories with veraviable proof that they never happened. Yet, ever now and then they print them to fill space in their magazine. I am not going to renew my subscription with them for this very same reason. They simply will not print the truth.
I proved the pirate Willima Kirk story never happened. The Abram Smith story in Saltville. The John Mosby story. Yet when Lee chandler (I believe this to be his name, I may be wrong. I just don't pay any attention to what is written by indivduals these days) printed five of the best treasures in Virginia; he readily listed these three among five. And I still have my doubts about the other two.
When I read that they got away with the loot. The loot was buried and where, but the whole gang was killed by the sheriff's posse. No survivors. You can just about forget nine out of ten of these stories.
They also ran a story written by Ken Weiman. An armoured car robbery near Muncie, Indiana. Ken had me ready to load up for a trip to Indiana. I played caution sent a letter to the two newspapers that Ken said ran this story. It never happened. I sent a letter to Lost Treasure of my findings. Two years later they came out and said the story was a hoax and it never happened. I've always wondered how many treasure hunters were hunting for this one, only to find out that Ken Weiman made the story up.
There are a lot of these story tellers out there. I want to talk with real hands on treasure hunters about real treasures to find. You can't locate what is not there.
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Aug 23, 2004 16:27:03 GMT -5
Post by pope on Aug 23, 2004 16:27:03 GMT -5
Naturally I didn't realize the mag story was so old. The net can be misleading or I just don't check properly. But WSET, for all their vapidness, would have it if the treasure were publically found. The residents thereabout are weary of a cemetary, a silo, and other places being dug into. As you point out, it is remarkable the lies people will tell.
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