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Post by tjb on Apr 6, 2005 20:52:06 GMT -5
Another bit of information. Thomas J. Beall said he buried the treasure near Bufford's in the County of Bedford. He did not say Bufford's what? When Henry Bufford died he left everything to his son Paschal. Now Henry did not leave Paschal as much money as he was spending right after his father died. He bought Fancy Farm near Kelso in 1820 for $19,200, this being two years before his father died. Paschal was already living extravagantly. Where was the money coming from? Now if Henry didn't die until 1822, that means that Thomas J. Beall on his first deposit stayed with Henry, not Paschal. Paschal was living on Fancy Farm. Maybe when Thomas J. Beall said he buried the treasure near Bufford's, he was referring to Fancy Farm. This moves the "X" of the treasure about six miles Northeast of Bufford's Tavern. Then when you draw a four mile radius around Fancy Farm; it will take you almost ten miles from Bufford's Tavern instead of the believed Four miles. The homesite of Thomas J. Beall and Robert Morriss' would now be within this four mile radius. Maybe I had better go back and check out Thomas J. Beall's homesite. That seems to be a better location than Clifford Delaney's land. Hope this helps. Does anyone want to meet me sometime somewhere and we will check out Thomas J. Beall's homesite together. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by kydav on Apr 7, 2005 19:58:20 GMT -5
TJB, I knew when i made my last post you would start huntin like an old dog! I figured you had all that info but i really didn't expect you to post it. I just meant to give you my idea since i knew you had a list of names, should have e-mailed you i guess, sorry about that. Guess they will be diggin up the cementery on Grandma's farm next! I'm too tied up to come out right now maybe someday.
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Post by tjb on Apr 7, 2005 21:15:01 GMT -5
kydave,
I posted most of the information that I have, but not all. My intention was to prove that the people in the letters and the story of the Beale Treasure are real and the treasure is real.
It may have been found or recovered, but I believe it is still where that it was buried. James Pursley survived his time and endurment under the Spanish Regime. He was released and allowed to travel after the Mexican Government over throwed the Spanish reign of terror for more than three hundred years.
James Pursley was in Sante Fe when Pike showed up in 1805 and 1806. The Spanish would not let him leave, because he knew where gold was in the United States Territory. The Spanish did not want him to leave because thousands of Americans would come looking for the gold and there would be an influx of too many crazy Americans as the Spanish called them.
There is more I could tell you kydave, but I have to keep some secrets. I still have one more card to play here in Virginia. It may pan out and it may not. I still want to go to the desert Southwest, I believe I can find the gold and silver mines of Thomas J. Beall and his party. I hope to find their remains and have them returned to Virginia. We will see.
I believe I have the location of the Beale Treasure vault. The only problem is I can't dig it up. I wish someone out there had a ground penetrating radar to see if it is there without digging. Then we could make a deal with the landowner from strengths. If he didn't give us permission we could make arrangements to purchase that portion of the property. He isn't using it anyway.
The last two post I made could be a decoy to get the hound dogs to search somewhere else. I am not going to say either way.
Maybe I can get things sorted out this summer and find out for sure whether the treasure is there or not. I know the story is true, so the treasure must still be where it was originally placed almost two hundred years ago. See you later, kydave. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by kydav on Apr 8, 2005 6:43:17 GMT -5
Albert, Just one more thought i have. I bought a tract of land once to build a house with a basement, stuck a shovel in the ground and guess what? Solid rock at one foot deep! Was going to have to blast a hole now, forget that, too much extra expense, sold the land. My point, if i'm going to bury a treasure six feet deep and want it to rest on solid rock with other stones laying around to make the vault, how do i do that unless i've been there and dug a hole there before knowing how deep i could go before hitting solid rock?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 8, 2005 8:32:51 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: HAW! SNORT! Sorry 'bout that... been "rockhounding" up Goose Creek, again... I hate this "damp weather"...! Anyway... wanted to let u know, if u get a "hot" reading on MD... it MAY be just an empty bean-pot... AND... the "goodies" may be long gone... dunno... the "Cyphers"? Ha! Good exercise for "brain matter"... LAWD GAWD A'MIGHTY! (LGA!) ;D
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Post by kydav on Apr 8, 2005 9:23:24 GMT -5
Yeah Rebel but i don't think anything has been proven yet one way or the other. One thing for sure Albert probably has more research material than anybody else. I don't remember how Bufords tavern came into the picture anyway. I myself have thought about Bufords house, Bufords Island etc. As for the ciphers, when Beall told Morriss he thought of giving him the names of his associates he could have meant he was going to give him the "key" and just have a letter sent from St. Louis telling him how to use it but decided not to. Back to my idea of a two part nomenclator, the DOI and a list of names to be used together to find the vault, but you have to get the names first. Nobody in their right mind would let you decide which you would want to know first, the location of the vault or the names of the people involved. Some would read c1 grab a shovel and throw the other papers away. A nomenclator originally just consisted of a list of names and later on a document or book was added to make it a two part using words, names and numbers together. Some may think they can find another book or document but they sure ain't gonna find that list of names unless they know how. Probably just MY thoughts but thats what we're here for. later
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 8, 2005 10:19:59 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here, again! (sun's coming out...) Yeah! Let's have a Beale Treasure Mystery Conference here in Bedford County! Yeah! The Peaks of Otter would be WONDERFUL place... the Lodge... u could even go camping! Ride the PO Bus up to Sharp Top; look down upon the BEAUTIFUL view of Bedford City (formerly known as Liberty)... Albert could be a Speaker... Peter could be a Speaker... take "tours" of TURKEY FOOT Road/TURKEY TOE Road/OLD PLANTATION Road near Lynchburg... Take GRAND Tour of BEALE TREASURE TRAIL Road, between Goose Creek, and Taylor Mountain... maybe, get a "local" or 2 to talk the "legends"... create a Beale Treasure Museum in Montvale. Va... ah! It is nice to "dream". isn't it? ;D
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Post by tjb on Apr 8, 2005 16:25:07 GMT -5
Good thoughts there, Rebel.
kydave, I believe one partner for sure that Thomas J. Beall had with him was Robert W. Morriss. He had a letter waiting for him at the Franklin, Missouri Newspaper at the same time as Thomas J. Beall in June of 1820. As I said before there was a Robert Morriss that owned land in Bedford County. Whether the same Robert Morriss as the one that leased the Washington Hotel, I don't know. I have a geneologist checking to see if he may be Robert Morriss' son. Robert Morriss' home is still standing. I talked to the landowner. Haven't searched for any treasure though, I was looking for something else at the time.
Another thought, pirates when on plunders kept caches of their own. Those ten men that came back with Beall maybe they had personal caches in Bedford County. Why would they place it in a common burial site when they could take their own share then and there. It don't make sense to me. I would take my fair share and conceal it myself. Unless Beale and Morriss hid the entire treasure themselves to keep the others from getting their share and then come back and get the others share. It is confusing as to how they accompolished this. Talk to you later. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by kydav on Apr 8, 2005 19:40:17 GMT -5
Seems we're the three musketeers! Wish some of these guest and other members would make some posts! Hell we might as well forget the forum and start e-mailing each other. I'm gonna start doin some Crappie fishin in my spare time pretty soon when the Dogwoods bloom anyway and goin to some pay to enter metal detector treasure hunts.
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Post by tjb on Apr 8, 2005 20:30:20 GMT -5
You're right, kydave. I see two or three guest on here at a time but none ever post. I guess they are all sponging just to see what anyone is saying. I believe I will move on to something else, also.
Rebel, e-mail me sometimes I would like to check out that Beale Trail with you. I can take you and show you where Robert W. Morriss and Thomas J. Beale lived also. I know of a homesite over across Porter's Mountain on Bore Auger Creek. I had to check that area out too. But, a James Miller lived there. He could have went with Beale's Party also. He once crossed the Great Divide before 1818. The Indians took his gun and knife and therefore almost took his life but he survived. An old Cherokee Indian took him in cared and feed him until he got well; gave him another gun and knife and provisions for his journey back to Virginia and asked nothing in return. Good Blood in those Cherokees. I love to read about them.
Good-bye to all, kydave e-mail me sometimes maybe we can get together on a hunt in Kentucky sometimes. I believe I know the area where Jonathan Swift's rich gold and silver mines were located. Several of his companions dwelled in this general area. We will see someday. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by X on Apr 9, 2005 6:48:27 GMT -5
Here's a posting for you Albert: "YOU" killed this forum!!!
Either, everyone 'sees' things your way... or you become indignant... and do your best to make them leave... and then start whining that, now, no one wants to help.... and to solve this mystery, it will totally rely on what YOU post. You have NEVER contributed anything... just, "I BELIEVE..."
Your life is so 'empty'... this forum IS ALL YOU HAVE in the world... and YOU have to feel in control of it. So, now you have TOTAL CONTROL of it... and can go back to... talking to YOURSELF.
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Post by tjb on Apr 10, 2005 6:17:45 GMT -5
ELWOOD CHANEY,
Why don't you grow up? I thought your name was ELWOOD CHANEY? Now here you go hiding under the name "X"
I said I was going to leave this forum and I am. Post like yours needs a reply. I guess you didn't use your name this time because your balls fell off. Well, I don't care what you post, why don't you go talk to yourself from now on because I am not answering a fool any more. Good bye and good ridiance to you and all others. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
P.S. I didn' kill this forum, with people like you that never grow up; that live in their own conceated world; you are the ones that killed this forum before it even got started. Hope you the best, rockhound.
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Post by y on Apr 10, 2005 17:43:17 GMT -5
Well spoken Albert, YAWN!!!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Apr 10, 2005 18:47:03 GMT -5
Oh Lord! Bickering again... Outta here!
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Post by Rebel KGC on Jul 13, 2012 9:56:28 GMT -5
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