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Post by tjb on Feb 21, 2005 18:51:46 GMT -5
kydave,
I know I said I wasn't going to post anymore, but I am not going to pay any attention to critics or spongers.
kydave, since you are in Kentucky. I need to make a connection with you to help me out to solve this mystery. Forget about the cipher codes for a while. Let's put them on the back burners.
I need you, kydave, to locate and find all of the information you can find about individuals from Beardstown, Kentucky. One, find any connection between Dr. James Robertson and James Pursley or (Purcell) Both men are from Beardstown.
James Pursley showed up in Sante Fe August 15, 1805. Just a little while after the Lewis and Clark Expedition up the Missouri River and it's headwaters. James Pursley had two Frenchmen with them. I will get their names later. One of the Frenchmen was a Colonel in the French Army. He visited Thomas Jefferson and Jefferson gave him the same rank in the Patriot Army. I can't find much else on him. But, it seems as if Jefferson was sending reconsicence expeditons probing for an eventual takeover of the Southwest. Then again this could have been by President Monroe, Aarron Burr or General Wilkerson.
Two, kydave, we also need to make a link with a Beale Treasure seeker in the Sante Fe, New Mexico area to research for information on the Beale Party by the Spanish Records. There has to be more records than what is recorded in books that are published. I don't have the time or funds to go to Sante Fe to do the research myself.
Three, kydave, we will need a link to someone in the St. Louis, Missouri area to retrive any and all information from that area also.
If there is anyone that knows of someone or a relative that lives in these areas we need your and their assistance.
Four, kydave, we will need someone with access to the Spanish Archives in Seville, Spain.
Five, kydave, we will need someone in the Washington, Pennsylvania to research on the Beale Family. Find out if there are any family letters or Bible with anything that may be a "KEY" to the ciphers.
If there is anyone out there that can help to verify the Beale Treasures authenticity now is the time to step up and help. Let's at least verify the story as fact or fiction. The proposal or method I have layed out above will accompolish this for us. What do you think kydave? What do you think Beale Treasure Hunters? Let us pool our sources together and verify this one way or the other? If there is a treasure and we find it by this means any and all contributors will share equally. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 21, 2005 19:23:50 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: tjb, I like your idea of all of us working together... kydave seems to be interested... do u think private e-mail would be good way of sharing... or do u want to go "public", here? I am a researcher, on-line... and read lots of stuff (as u well know...) BUT if BT CODE is solved... and treasure is gone... what, then? I would like to see an e-book out of all this... AND Peter Veimiester could be brought in... to "ghost-write" it... if anything is found... (speaking in Mafioso voice with southern accent, "I get 5 %!" ) ;D
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Post by kydave on Feb 22, 2005 21:14:51 GMT -5
Albert, hope you got my email but just getting online to get my mind off other things. Anyway guess you have heard the story about some family members finding the bible with the "key" in it, don't know if its true or not. Anyway the name of the town you mentioned is similar to the name of the town i live in and jesse james and others have been here, as a matter of fact i metal detected one of his camping places and didn't find anything except a rusty knife but i really didn't do a very good search which i should have done. He was hanging out with the local sheriff around here in a place called Samuels ky. As a matter of fact again theres bullet holes in a local tavern that are still there for the public to view. Get back latter on the names you mentioned. kydav58@aol.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 22, 2005 22:11:47 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: kydave... could u check and see if sheriff u mentioned was member of Freemasonic Lodge in Samuels, KY... think Jesse was Mason... and later had the Law "protecting" him... he knew too much... If u r square... we can meet on the level with this... and part on the square... ;D
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 24, 2005 8:15:53 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Thanks, kydave, for letting me "check u out"... We can use General Chat for FreeMasonic "speak"... ha! Back to this "piece"... to be used for THESTLEBOARD, to design what tjb was chatting about... getting together (work), and share what is found... since I do on-line research, anyway... that is not too hard to do... any tips from u guys... for me to do research on?
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Post by tjb on Feb 24, 2005 16:47:31 GMT -5
Hi Rebel,
There are several areas of research, we could check into. You can find out by old newspapers of historical centers if Thomas J. Beale and or a party of about thirty men stayed at any bed and breakfast, hotels, taverns and the such from Virginia to St. Louis, Missouri. Even in the State of Missouri or further West all the way to Sante Fe.
The Spanish Historical records could be checked to see if a party of thirty showed up in Sante Fe around the later end of 1817 or early 1818. I have already ordered through interlibrary loan, "The Spanish Archives of New Mexico," by Twitchell. I hope to find out about this very question. The Archives in Seville, Spain can be checked maybe on line or through an Archivist working there.
All ship or vessel passenger list up and down the Ohio, Mississippi or the Missouri Rivers can be checked. Their records have got to be somewhere. Maybe even diaries of frontier travelers such as Jacob Fowler and others can shed some light on this story. I have already read Jacob Fowler. There is a lot of sketchy sightings that could have been the Beale Party, but nothing definit. He even mentioned a party of thirty or thirty five white men near the Pike's Peak. These thirty or thirty five are later mentioned murdered near the Pike's Peak sometime between 1822 and 1825. But, no names and I can not identify who this party was. It could have been Beale and his thirty or so souls, since they were never heard from again. A scalped Indian went to his Chief near Pueblo, Colorado and asked him if he could go back and revenge his being scalped and their horses taken by the Pawnee that were helping the White Men. The Chief said, "NO, they are too friendly. Meaning they gave him a lot of gifts.
Anyone and everywhere, Rebel, you can find any information will be just fine. Please write it in Old English, I can't understand Masonic Talk? Talk with you later. kydave, I wish you the best. There are now three of us working on this MYSTERY, are there any others that would like to contribute? Do you have any relatives near any of these locations, I have mentioned that could gathere research for us--------photocopy and mail it to us? albert_hunter@yahoo.co
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 24, 2005 22:32:26 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: tjb, will do... Question for both u and kydave... r u on TEAM KGC? Mann & Sumpter are heading this up... tjb, u could be "Captain" of South/South-East Juridiction (VA, NC, SC, TENN, GA, etc where civil war battles were & where Jeff Davis went)... looking for weapons... $$$$... etc. OR r we still on Beale Treasure, only...
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Post by kydave on Feb 25, 2005 15:55:35 GMT -5
Hey Rebel, Don't have time to do any research right now because of death in family but here are some things i already know. Just read whereWilliam Friedman the cryptologist that worked on the beale ciphers has 30 years of research and correspondence with other treasure hunters is filed away in a box at the Va. Military Institute's George C. Marshall Library and Archives which i'm sure Albert already knew. Also the sheriffs name that was protecting Jesse James was A. D. Pence that had a farm at Samuels ky just outside of Bardstown. A bank was robbed out west somewhere and it was in the newspaper that Jesse was responsible although he was here at the time and made him mad so he took a diamond ring and etched his name and the date on a window in the house. This glass was removed latter on someone thinking that it was of value. I don't know about the mason thing yet. The bank of Russelville ky he did rob sometime while in the area. Not far from there is a monument erected for the "father of our country" Jeff Davis since he was born there and lived nearby and attended college until 1824 so that kinda puts him and Jesse in the same area. The sheriff and Jesse were mentioned to be under the pretense of hunting alot, sound familar? So i would say the sheriff was helping him stay incognito. Just some things you probably won't find online. later bryoung132hodgenvilleky3rd Mel Hodgens relatives iam4corsair that put out the latest book on the beale solution, small world
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Post by tjb on Feb 25, 2005 18:45:10 GMT -5
Rebel & kydave,
To answer you rebel, I work on all treasures; all of the time. While, I am asking a question about the Beale Treasure to our local historical librarian; in the same sentence I may ask about a frontier fort in South Carolina.
I work on the Beale Treasure only as a sideline. I don't know if it exist or can be found, but the fun is in the hunt. At the same time I may be trying to solve the mystery to twenty other treasures at the same time.
My main passion in treasure hunting is searching for the Confederate Treasury and other payrolls hid by both sides of the War of the Rebellion.
I believe I have already located two large caches of the Confederate Treasury. They can not be recovered without owning the property where they are stashed. The Government of the Confederate States of America did not want to make it easy for the Yankees to find what they valued as their means to buy weapons to continue the fight at a later date and opportune time. Neither did they want some Johnny come lately find it by hook or crook. They are cached and hidden quite well so that no one would chance upon them by accident.
We can contact each other rebel & kydave by e-mail if you want to keep anything within our circle. I was mostly wanting other researchers to pool together to solve this Beale Treasure Mystery, once and for all time.
We can continue to work on other treasures together or separately depending on whether we agree to work together on other hunts. Over my twenty-five years of treasure hunting, I have found it is saver to search and hunt alone. But, by this method you can recover a treasure alone or you can die alone.
We will talk if there is a project you all would like to work together on. But, I mostly was wanting to solve the Beale Treasure Mystery not the cipher codes. The story needs to be verified first. Talk you both later. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by Rebel KGC on Feb 25, 2005 19:31:40 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: Thanks tjb! I agree with u... that is why I was asking if u were with TEAM KGC... Floyd and Randy are looking at EVERYTHING! Jesse James stuff... Confederate Treasury stuff... KGC stuff... GOLD, GOLD, GOLD! working together... "pooling" tools of TRADE... sharing maps, waybills... etc... THIS IS FUN! BUT... if ya wanna get rich... all the GOLD is out WEST! Beale Treasure is Super Depository... gonna do more research on Gen. Albert Pike, laying out "lines" from DC... Like u, I wanna "solve" Beale Treasure Mystery... ;D
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Post by kydave on Feb 26, 2005 17:55:22 GMT -5
Just a quick news flash here. April 2005 issue of lost treasure magazine has a story on the beale treasure and the knights of the golden circle and jesse james. If you dont get the magazine you can go to www.losttreasure.com and probably read about it online.
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Post by tjb on Feb 28, 2005 17:37:09 GMT -5
kydave,
Lost Treasure has a story about the Beale Treasure. They also say in the title and the story the same things we have been talking about ever since 1990, when Mel Fisher was up here----------whether it is a hoax or not?
In fact their whole story is about word for word out of Peter Viemeister's book and the local newspaper of 1990. It has nothing new and no research of any kind that is new. It is just a rehashing of the same ole same ole. I am sorry to say. albert_hunter@yahoo.com
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Post by TOMm on Mar 13, 2005 0:43:19 GMT -5
heres two birds with one stone
(1) The Grave Yard in Washinton County PA is In Bealsville It Was Called The KEYS
(2)THE KGC Camped about 1/4 mile east of that same grave yard and in that exact area a pot of gold coins was found
(3) THE TREASURE OF THE UNITED STATES LIVED about 40 MILES from there (ALBERT GALLATIN ) the man responsable for the first sucessful bank in america and the banking system we use today
acordding to treasury records the USA went BANKRUPT during his terms in office
i found that at least eleven millio was not accounted for while he was in term
TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Mar 13, 2005 0:51:43 GMT -5
POST NUMBER TWO
TEN MILES FROM THE KEYS GRAVE YARD IN BEALESVILLE PA THE FIRST STEAM SHIP THAT LEFT PITTSBURG WAS CRISTENED THE USS ENTERPRISE *as in the phamplet the enterperprise we are in * TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Mar 13, 2005 0:55:59 GMT -5
I am the FELLOW THAT FOUND THAT BIBLE TOMm
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