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Post by goldfndr on Sept 28, 2008 23:38:13 GMT -5
Beale asks question to which he knows answer........
I am still working on my mapping and putting the pieces of the Beale Treasure story together. I can't give you the answer to this question but I will ask it anyway to see if anyone else knows the answer. What does Haymakertown have to do with the Beale Treasure Legend?
The answer is NOTHING....Absolutely NOTHING... The Beale Treasure Story is JUST THAT!!!!... A Story...It's like a Soap Opera, or so it seems..."All My Children" Beales geneolgy???... that is, a fictional character...and so does the fastuous questioners looking for real answers to unreal events as in "Who Shoot J.R." and "Bobby Ewing's death was only a dream"...The codes are real, the Beale Story is only a Tale...You dreamer You..
THERE is gold out there some where but it is not in Mayberry Officer Barney Fife....excuse me I meant Montvale aka Bedford or 4 miles from Bufords.
Long Live the Global Warming
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 29, 2008 7:20:00 GMT -5
gf, beale asked about Haymakertown, Va. I found it, and SPECULATED that it was/is the "homeplace" of the BEALE family, which MAY be ALSO be TJB I & TJB II's birthplace... they were REAL pp. They went to NEW ORLEANS, were involved in the War of 1812, and Jean LaFitte. ALL that is on "historical record". Beale's Rifles is a FACT, ("google" it). The "JOB PRINT" as "just a story" is ONE theory, that YOU can believe, if YOU want; we are HERE, in the area, so... we think/believe OTHERWISE. Are YOU a "preacher", who wants to CONVERT us to YOUR view? You DO NOT have a "right" to denigrate ANYONE here. IF... you know, it is not in "Mayberry" (ANOTHER "putdown" of Bedford County?), Barney Fife, a "putdown" of the Bedford County deputies? May Global Warming bury you in the "days to come"...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 29, 2008 11:42:44 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Sept 29, 2008 17:09:23 GMT -5
Beale asks question to which he knows answer........ I am still working on my mapping and putting the pieces of the Beale Treasure story together. I can't give you the answer to this question but I will ask it anyway to see if anyone else knows the answer. What does Haymakertown have to do with the Beale Treasure Legend? The answer is NOTHING....Absolutely NOTHING... The Beale Treasure Story is JUST THAT!!!!... A Story...It's like a Soap Opera, or so it seems..."All My Children" Beales geneolgy???... that is, a fictional character...and so does the fastuous questioners looking for real answers to unreal events as in "Who Shoot J.R." and "Bobby Ewing's death was only a dream"...The codes are real, the Beale Story is only a Tale...You dreamer You.. THERE is gold out there some where but it is not in Mayberry Officer Barney Fife....excuse me I meant Montvale aka Bedford or 4 miles from Bufords. Long Live the Global Warming Haymakertown does have a whole lot to do with the Beale Treasure Mystery but smart remarks will not get me to reveal what it is, you will have to work that one out yourself. When I recover the treasure then I will answer all question. Everything in this world means something, there is nothing that means nothing except nothing. Have a great day and don't get uptight about global warming it will all cool down in the future just before it melts down the next time.
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Post by beale on Sept 29, 2008 17:12:15 GMT -5
Thanks for the link, rebel. I have already checked it out. Stay in touch. Send me pm or email or phone thanks. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Sept 29, 2008 21:53:38 GMT -5
;D WILL DO...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 2, 2008 19:35:57 GMT -5
;D beale, will send requested info by "slow mail" tomorrow, with the Botetourt County info... should get it by MONDAY; NOT gonna go to it.
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Post by beale on Oct 3, 2008 19:04:44 GMT -5
;D beale, will send requested info by "slow mail" tomorrow, with the Botetourt County info... should get it by MONDAY; NOT gonna go to it. Hi rebel, I may not get to go either. Sure would be interesting though. I would like to meet and talk with some of the people kin to the late Toler Ranson. He knew John Beall and his sons. Hunted with them and also searched for the Beall Treasure with some of them including Pauline and Walter Innis. He also had dealings with Buck Wright and Bear Tolley. Ed Easterling in his book had a picture of Toler Ranson. I wish I had got to meet and talk with the man. There is one other interesting individual living in Bedford County, a historian by the name of Frank Otey Smith. I have seen him at every book signing concerning the Beale Treasure. He knew about the Beale Treasure handed down through the Otey Family. He did not read it in the Job Print Pamphlet or any books by some of the latest author. I had an interesting meeting with Frank Otey Smith, Jimmy Luck and Joseph Duran a number of years back on the top of Porter's Mountain a late night meeting. The Roanoke Times Newspaper reporters and others were there for the interview. At this meeting Frank Otey Smith, Jimmy Luck and Joseph Duran said it had been handed down through the Otey Family that a man by the name of Thomas Reid buried the treasure and not Thomas Jefferson Beale. They said they knew this within their family circle but they did not know how Joseph Duran knew this? Joseph Duran said he had deciphered the name from the codes. Both of these swore an oath that what they were telling was the truth. I was only an observer and I was glad to be in such company. I believe Frank Otey Smith knows more about the Beale Treasure than he is telling anyone. He said the first shipment of gold and silver was buried in Bedford County but the second shipment was not so lucky. He said when Thomas Reid and his men buried the first shipment they borrowed a wagon which was owned by Thomas Otey which was also the Sheriff of Bedford County at that time. This wagon was a special wagon much like our tow trucks today. It had a rack with a hoist mounted on a swivel to move heavy items to and from the wagon. When Beale or Reid borrowed this wagon the weight was so much that it broke the wagon's hoist and the sideboards of the wagon. (This was the very reason they exchanged silver for jewelry on their second shipment of treasure.) Beale or Reid returned the wagon to the man that rented it to them but Thomas Otey was not there. Later, Thomas Otey filed a court claim against Thomas Reid for damages done to his wagon and sideboards and a record is found in the Bedford County Courthouse to this effect. This being said when the second shipment was coming over the mountains towards Liberty or Bedford City word was sent to Sheriff Thomas Otey to this effect. He got several of his kin together and they took a number of armed slaves with them to lay an ambush in the mountains and capture this second shipment of treasure--------which they did. Beale or Reid was not with his men in the mountains he had rode ahead to Liberty to borrow the wagon once again not knowing that a claim for damages had been filed against him and his men. Near a favorite overlook on the parkway near a certain tavern the Oteys along with their kin, the Bufords and the Luck's. All three showed enormous wealth about 1822. Isaac Otey and William Cook purchased Fancy Farm from Paschal Buford who had only recently purchased it. The only person that did not prosper from the robbery of the second shipment was the Sheriff of Bedford County because he was a known drunkard and drank and ran through his money quite fast. There are many treasure stories in the area of Bedford County about the Beale Treasure. This particular story has a lot of merit to it. For one the cipher codes seem to me to have been haphazardly quickly thrown together to get someone to get out and try to locate this first shipment of treasure that the Luck's, Otey's and Buford's did not know where it was buried. There were no survivors of Beale's Party. Beale himself was pursued by these three families and was overtaken in a cave on Purgatory Mountain and was killed there. All of Beale's Party and Beale or Reid himself are buried on the Farm which once belonged the the Reverend George P. Luck, not to far up the hill from where GP Luck himself rest. So there you have it, this is another verison of the Beale or Reid Treasure. Believe it or not. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 3, 2008 19:33:39 GMT -5
;D I have heard/read SIMILAR "stuff'; ONE "thing" of interest to me, is that YOU mentioned a "hoist". There was a "mine" or "cave" along the BRP, in which a "rotten" hoist was found, YEARS ago. MAYBE, it was from you. ANYWAY... it was supposed to be a "clue" that "it" was near-by. Reid/Reed Creek is of "interest " to me, as it is NEAR Sedalia/BIG ISLAND, where BEAR Toley hunted, and "watched" over things. It flows SOUTHWEST to Taylor Mountain, THEN... SOUTHWEST, a short way to "INTERCEPT" GOOSE CREEK, which runs WEST to Montvale/formerly known as BUFORDSVILLE or BUFORDS. "THE CREEK... IT FLOWS EAST...." JOB PRINT C# 1 THEN... NORTH, up to REID/REED Creek, along the MOUNTAINS of Rt. 122 N. ;D
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Post by beale on Oct 5, 2008 18:43:15 GMT -5
I have only one more site to check out, deer season may hold me off till spring. But once this site is checked out, someone else can find the Beale Treasure, if I don't. I am hanging it up.
I have spent over 25 years (44 years if I counted when I worked on the codes in 1966) in on this mystery and I am still not willing to say that it did not happen, as others claim it is just that a story. I have found three volumes of solid evidence that the Beale Party Expedition did happen. The story has been thrown some curves lately and if we don't get others to keep researching and getting out in the field searching this mystery will never be solved. If I could find a worthy apprentice, I would explain all of my research in hopes that they could take it and carry it on to a final and successful conclusion? Thanks to all and I will see you all around, bye. Albert
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 6, 2008 7:09:30 GMT -5
;D STARBUCKS! The "expedition" DID happen in MY opinion, based on the research I have done... which I will DONATE to Jones Memorial Library; IF... I go back to the Shenandoah Valley OR... when I am too "old & gray" to care, anymore. I think we are "talking about" TWO treasures, and the BEALE/BEALL is in UPPER ROANOKE COUNTY, BRP. or BOTETOURT COUNTY, where Pauline. Toler, et al focused THEIR "search". I think Bedford County/Lynchburg, Va. is ALL CSA TREASURY- related, which I will ALSO DONATE to Jones Memorial Library, LATER... NO "sense" to "give" to VMI or the VIRGINIA ROOM at Roanoke Library on '"ELM"... we DO need "young bloods"... dudes or dudettes. AND! Wear "BLAZE ORANGE" now.... IF... "hunting"...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 7, 2008 19:39:51 GMT -5
;D Thomas Reid? I got SOME info on a JOHN REID... Tennessee State Library & Archives; JOHN REID PAPERS (1784 - 1816) from Bedford County, Va.; personal & military correspondence/records of MAJ. REID, aide-de-camp & military secretary to Gen. Andrew Jackson - War of 1812...
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 7, 2008 20:09:39 GMT -5
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Post by beale on Oct 8, 2008 16:08:05 GMT -5
rebel, The Beale Treasure Trail was named by Frank Otey Smith, the Bedford County Historian I told you about. But, in this instance he was wrong because that is not the trail Beale traveled when he buried the treasure. It does go by his house, though.
Also there is another Reid Creek or two in Bedford County.
Those Tennessee Archives papers may be worth reading, if John Reid was aide-de-camp to Andrew Jackson. John Reid could have cut a deal with Laffite and carried some of the plunder of the Santa Rosa to Bedford County?
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 8, 2008 17:42:28 GMT -5
;D MAYBE... DUNNO. "Google" ANDREW JACKSON & EARLY TENNESSEE HISTORY BY SAMUEL GORDON HEISKELL. You can read it "on-line", and there is a chapter (Chapt. 4, pg. 64 - 82) on John Reid, who "was born in Bedford County, Va. in 1784"... has a "pic" of him (p. 64). Good looking fella, that COULDA been TJ BEALE; looks "swarthy".
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