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Post by TOMm on Oct 21, 2006 20:56:52 GMT -5
good evening when you have a top hat and gloves you got masons I'm looking for the walking canes and yea i know i do things different be cause when it comes to this treasure of so called Beale treasure its imperative doing it different or the whole thing would be broken BUT the only time this is going to be broken in to the mosaic they re meant to be is when i or some one goes and dig the box up ,Ive got a lot of info for instance dose the word rain tree mean anything or how about the Kurt or kirk gang do any thing, well BOB morris was the leader if I say things like i know this and i have that i may be considered a braggart But only want to get this code thing done.. the James lived on both sides of my grand parents when the one house burnt down there were two water buckets of coins in the ashes when the wva banks was robbed they were living next door and nobody went hungry in the hood look at the Kansas heritage dot org. and you see alo a Morris a ward also a James not only did they have more then one vault but they would buy the land if possible and post a friend or relative to keep watch by oath for life but as they got older and died off,so did the secrets they could farm the the land or whatever they even had there own mail system i can show one of there stone made depositories and it is called the post office in the woods there may be a treasure of gems in a cave i know about its got an anchor in the ceiling and i know where theres a trident i think gems may be there cause i did the detector thing Also with out the aid of a key well sounds good but here is what it partially means with outhe aidove a key i found that dove carved in a rock not far from the biggn i also found two Indian chiefs one is over a cave the anchor is near two caves one is a straight down deadly hole in the grass if you don't know if its there, a big man could fall in. i was at another cave that dropped straight down but saw bones and never ventured back it's close to a hardtop road where do you hide an elephant?? answer> among other elephants meaning where do you hide a large amount of confederate gold my answer > with the yankee elephants land now who ? just who? would ever think to find it in yankey< territory? and after the war it would be less difficult especially if it was a route back into the south could get back in short time if need be, i know that they camped in >that area< in blue clothes heres another hint MIL FORD miles Buford's remove the lock also check me out ask for freedom of information act and see if feds didn't take big bars of gold from EL CAPITAN and The other place look for the Ls over Capitan L above word means mountain the proof that James' is in volved in this Beale morris ward &> (A Friend Alfred friend) j wiser treasure is in the pimpliest i think i said this before each paragraph is a new location in now THINK+ IN THE Beale's letter THAT should answer your question to me now for some real spooky stuff i can read the gstrings well at least a goodly part of them I'm looking for some one that would like proof positive to use to break these codes and not rip me off theres been many say that they have I'm willing to step up to the plate with some body of creditability since I'm the black sheep ill have to share my wool There will be great progress in these papers this year of 365 if theres treasure left I'm willing to share it but any way i thought you were a kind fella and thank you for your open and honest reply
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 22, 2006 19:09:42 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Isn't it... MORRISS ?
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Post by TOMm on Oct 23, 2006 22:20:20 GMT -5
Ok gents, I dont have enough creditabiliy to say this but im going to say that i have located 2 other keys or documents by using the info from the phamphlet and there may be more keys or info to use and i do have copies of thembut the originals are not in my possesion i also add that unless there was one other item in that box they could not be broken in the manner that they were meant to be broken but because of the computer it can be done but not with oiut difficulty, these statements are not for me to brag or boast but only to give others hope in locating the keys , they may be in an iorn box but i found them in a libary now i suppose a lot of you will not believe that. and you that dont are also wecome with your reply or opinions i will tell this much at this that the miscount and other mistakes were intentional there is alot more work to be done hopefully that that box will be found intact and with all that was intended to be found and not detriated or renderd unuseable TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Oct 25, 2006 21:48:29 GMT -5
Good Evening i found a Female Buford i thought some of you might be interested in reading about
and i thought this stament of Morriss to be pecular when he said *confedrerate war* most people would say Civil War the old mouuntain folks which most have died off called it the Silver War Where did yoiu all go therei s enough room for every body to play the BEAL GAME If any of you movie makers are looking in ive got some ideas that will make your movie a best seller movie with the real keys at a real real and real proof using the pamplet as proof to where to locate them there are some ney sayers that believe that beale treasure is not real but everybody is entitled to there opinion whether it be revelent or otherwise i would like to say dont stop looking for the evidence of being true treasure because its not all in one hole or in one book or one manuscript some of it is still in tact and some the goverement took some of them like the one that was marked with a carved hand that they took from me that one is in the G STRINGS So far it looks like J B WARD was a rebel but yet i havent found war records of him and ROBERT MORRISS may have got reb connections i found where he had land in kentucky but that dosent mean much EXCEPT THAT LAND COULD HAVE THE BOX IN IT
TOMm
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Post by TOMm on Oct 25, 2006 21:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by charlie mason on Oct 27, 2006 11:29:28 GMT -5
I guess by now most of you should know that if you really read the pamphlet in its entirety,the means of rebuilding the key is right in front of you..Surely ya'll wouldn't think that a group of people as intelligent as the Beale Party would leave to chance alone that a letter would be supopsedly sent to Morriss after ten years and no alternative method of decipherment of these codes not be available...Surely you ya'll wouldn't think that....I know... I would tell you what I see,but that would take all the fun out of it..Will tell you this though its all right in front of you..no Adams-Onis Treaty..no Mark Twain or Jessie James...just plain o'l in your face detective work...Like they said ...THE BEST PLACE TO HIDE SOMETHING IS IN PLAIN SITE..... bt charlie mason
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Post by TOMm on Oct 27, 2006 20:16:57 GMT -5
Good evening
I hope we can agree to disagree on kindly grounds
i agree that the key is to be rebuilt(designed)and i disagree that
Jesse James is not a main player refer to the cross grids and and if you refer to my previous post you can see that i also speak of hiding elephants among elephants or forest before the trees in other words ii agree that some of the key & by the way and key is a code word as well as beal is a a coded word right before ones face those grids can be found on another gentlemens posting on this board The hole key is not in the booklet only the directions to the key and or A box of some sort Question? How many people are in hotel What is there Position in life Why even bring up there name in booklet if there not in the game How did beal get wind of morriss who would trust any person with a fortune being that the time beal knew R.M. a very short time Was J. B. W. an honest man or Was his alias W.chadwell see kansas heritage.org None of these questions really matter but finding the box and its contents matters i believe even when these codes are broken one will still need the contents of a box even with the info i have its still not complete i need at least one more manuscrpt and the boxes contents TOMm
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Post by cmaxey on Oct 30, 2006 19:44:06 GMT -5
I have been seeing refrences to jesse james and the beale cyphers. Would anyone be interested in sharing the link between the two. I know from my own reading that jesse was a busy bandit and asisted the kgc. They seem to be two diffrent treasures to me. If they are related could anyone tell me how?
thanks, cmaxey
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 31, 2006 20:28:26 GMT -5
Yo! Rebel here: ;D Well done, Beale... I will just add a few things... Jesse's mother was a Dalton... there are lots of the Dalton Clan here in Bedford County; according to one Dalton, Jesse was just a young lad when the Civil War broke out 1860 or thereabout... yet he did get up here to see "Auntie Dee" (Dee, D... for Dalton, I rekken...), and learned about the Beale Treasure (or may seen the thing, dunno...) ANYWAY... it is my understanding that even tho Jesse MAY HAVE BEEN too young to "shoot 'em up"... he could still water & feed the horses of Q's pp... he learned about it all in his formative years (robbing, killing, & burying treasures... some as a "ex-Reb/outlaw"); and possibly being a member of the FreeMasonic Order somewhere... ; on a PERSONAL note re. the Dalton Clan... my wife's GGrandfather was a Dalton, who killed a man... "They were MEAN people!" she said... lol... LGA! (snort!)
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Post by Not An Option on Oct 31, 2006 21:02:57 GMT -5
I would tell you what I see,but that would take all the fun out of it.. charlie mason I think the best response to this is the old quote: "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?"
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Post by Rebel KGC on Oct 31, 2006 23:02:06 GMT -5
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Post by Charles L Mason ESQ on Nov 1, 2006 11:38:57 GMT -5
I would tell you what I see,but that would take all the fun out of it.. charlie mason I think the best response to this is the old quote: "If you're so smart, why aren't you rich?" Dear Mr. Not An Option, You pose an interesting question. Why am I not rich? How do you know that I am not? What is your diffinition of rich? Is it the material things that are possessed? The amount of money in the bank that you have? Or is it the health, knowledge and wisdom that you might possess along with a good life and the ability to call someone a true friend. These things I believe qualify as riches. What I have in material things are mine. They may not fit in a Bill Gates Manor, but they are mine. The money in the bank, feeds me, keeps me warm in the winter and cool in the summer, puts clothes on me and mines back. Age has given me some wisdom, my health is fair and I believe I have lead a good life. I have some that I can call good friends. By some standands I qualify as a poor ole country boy. By some standands I am a rich american. By my standands I am rich, maybe not in the material things but in other things money could not buy. So NAO what is rich to you. I know your original question alludes to, "Why haven't I solved the Beale Puzzle and found the treasure?" and again I will say " If I tell you what I see, it would take the fun out of it." There ain't no gold and there ain't no silver and there ain't no help(anymore) to them that just hold their hands out. Have fun with the game, that's it's intent, I am. ;D BT Clodhopper
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Post by Not An Option on Nov 1, 2006 21:59:59 GMT -5
Dear Mr. Not An Option, You pose an interesting question. Why am I not rich? How do you know that I am not? The quote was along the lines of "If you really have broken the mystery that is the Beale cipher, you'd either have a pile of gold or a book deal with Dan Brown, probably". I know you're not rich for the same reason I know you haven't solved the Beale ciphers: you make cryptic assertions rather than denials. In a quick example, 'how do you know that I'm not rich?' doesn't answer my question - but then yourevealed you're not rich anyway. So too with "if only I would tell all I know about the Beale ciphers, but I wont". You have no riches, and you have nothing to tell. No doubt you'll say to me "well, how do you know that? prove I don't know the secret", which puts the ball back in my court [and unfairly, this is something I could never prove until you actually said something about Beale one way or the other]. As a pre-emptive strike, I'm going to say "extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof - and claiming to have the inside edge on Beale codes that have escaped the minds of thousands of men [including cryptographers and academics] is an extraordinary claim". It's unreasonable to expect you to have any unknown Beale knowledge, and no one will believe you until you post some actual proof to the contrary.
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Post by Charlie Mason on Nov 2, 2006 15:41:38 GMT -5
Not An Option, Home from the Hills, i Have, at various times on this forum and others provided information about the Beale Mystery, if you have ever bothered to read through the postings. Not once has it been said I have the solution only clues and insights into what may provide a solution and I have willingly given these out and yes I do believe I have an inside edge about finding a solution that your so called academics may have over looked, and if you would go to the trouble to go back and read some of the postings made by me and my brother you might find some insight too.So don't stick your hand out to me to feed you unless you put in a little work for yourself and that is not an option. No workee no feedee. Damn "Where's Wildcard when you need him?" BT Clodhopper PS........"Such a key I have left in the hands of a friend in THIS PLACE....." and you can take that to the bank Capt.( but thats gone o'er your academic head I'm sure. bye now
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Post by Not An Option on Nov 2, 2006 21:13:18 GMT -5
..not once has it been said I have the solution only clues and insights into what may provide a solution Insights into what may provide a solution? This is what ToMM has. And I have. And everyone has. Another word for this is educated guesses. Or in your case, guesses. This hardly falls into the "oh, if only I would tell what I knew" category. And don't flatter yourself with a "don't come to me for a handout" statement - this board has plenty of idle speculation. If I really wanted unsubstantiated rubbish, there are far more plentiful sources than yourself. Now, if some of your ideas actually worked and you had some evidence to support it, that would be another matter... Yours, Not An Option
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